Israel and Eurovision

[Carly944]

I've seen all the protests that Israel shouldn't have been allowed to enter the Eurovision. I don't think politics should be part of eurovision

Has everyone forgotten that a lot of countries at this stage have invaded each other, and that a lot of countries have a bloody and violent past.

The United Kingdom invaded many countries and massacred and killed many many people in the past.

Germany have obviously started two world wars.

Spain have invaded countries and done a lot of brutality to people in the past.

Should none of these countries be allowed to enter eurovision then. If we are going to put politics into it, nearly every European country would be banned from eurovision.

Israel is far from the only country in the world that have invaded and massacred people. Its awful, but it has also been awful when other countries did it. And many of them have. So I'm not sure why there was just the call for Israel to be banned

It’s just SEEPING in anti-Semitic tones. Jewish people are <checks notes> greedy, bullies liars and thieves

Good to know

I think people reckon they aren’t anti-Semitic as long as they don’t say “I hate Jews”

That’s not what’s happening though.

Its fine to be anti-Israeli government.

But so many posts on this thread and others are using anti-Semitic tropes to bolster their point. There are also conspiracy theories around the only Jewish state to compete. These tropes were used heavily to get the public on side in Europe about 85 years ago (and in fact even further back) and look what happened then

Also I just want to chip in this, so I can be like every other poster:

Why are non European countries competing in Eurovision?!!?!!!?!!!!

No one has answered this yet 🤣🤣

It’s also ticks all the anti-Semitic trope boxes of Jews being liars, thieves, warmongerers, too powerful and out to get the little man

Why do you think the hostages would have been released? Because the terrorist organisation not to be trusted said so?

It’s a really interesting subject of if Nazis who claim they had no choice but to join should have been punished for war crimes. I find it a tad convenient that so many say they had no choice. Had Joseph Mengele been captured (and it’s heartbreaking that he evaded justice for his whole life) I imagine he’d have claimed he had no choice but to do what he did. So an interesting debate would be where the line is drawn.

Have Israel stated this?

Well actually Iraq was destroyed because of <checks notes> nothing. It didn’t do anything to anybody. And it was destroyed

Not just Amnesty International of course @Apolloneuro

There are reports just since the war in October started, investigated, witnessed and / or verified from many different organisations constituting war crimes and or acts against the Geneva Convention.

The list is exhausting and with examples covers 16 pages on Wiki.

( Pages before October last year as well )

Is this now a game? Can I play?
@KeinLiebeslied54321 are you from <presses fingers to forehead and hums> the North Pole? No, wait - Saturn?

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Israel is the only Jewish state on the planet. If many people had their way, Jews would, yet again, be exiled from their homes and will be scattered into anti-Semitic countries where the likelihood on Holocaust 2.0 is not as low as it once was. Who can blame any Israeli for wanting to prevent that.

Meanwhile Eden Golan is joining the IDF!
Not such a peaceful loving person with no interest in the war after all then!

You could make that argument for ANY solider - you join the Army you sign up to potential killing. Why is it only ‘unpeaceful’ when Israelis do it?

I'm not speaking about those who clearly carried out war crimes, I'm speaking more about average every day folk, eg teachers.
I'm not justifying brutality, please don't suggest that.

No, it's not a game.
No, you can't play.

Why should Hamas be trusted after October 7th and the many efforts to get infrastructure in place to carry out attacks?

So tell us - who would you like to be ethnically cleansed?

No

No one has said it is.

It wasn't "dubbed" - they used anti-booing technology. Can you imagine the courage of that young woman, singing her heart out, and singing beautifully, while adults booed her for her nationality.

Well, not really.

The Russia/Ukraine conflict is pretty black and white: Russia (the bad guys) trying to take over Ukraine (The good guys).

The Israel/Palestine situation is more nuanced - while Israel is very much the bad guy, generally speaking, in this latest action Hamas attacked Israel.

Banning Israel would effectively be saying 'we condone what Hamas did'

Theyre not going to do that are they?

What I mean is civilian deaths are inevitable

I obviously don’t agree with war crimes - and I marched on the streets in 2003 in protest of the Iraq invasion for that reason. But Hamas KNEW their genocide on October 7th would not result in Israel sitting back doing nothing, or even retaliating fairly, so the blame for what’s has happened to their citizens lays largely at their door. I wonder if they feel their taking of hostages was worth the retaliation that they will have KNOWN was to happen. Netenyahu is hardly a pussycat

Yes, they have.

And a terrorist organisation still govern Gaza. Is that not worrying to you?

And you believe them? A terrorist organisation with a penchant for kidnap rape and murder.
Even though in their doctrine their mission is to exterminate all Jews?
Is that a group of people to be trusted?

Because Israel have conscription. Not because she’s comping at the bit to murder babies

I mean Netenyahu is clearly a maniac but it’s obtuse to pretend that Hamas doesn’t play a major part in this and that if they cared for their citizens they could surrender themselves tomorrow.
But they won’t. And I don’t believe they want a ceasefire either

I’m replying post by post not talking to myself 🙄