Israel and Eurovision

[Carly944]

I've seen all the protests that Israel shouldn't have been allowed to enter the Eurovision. I don't think politics should be part of eurovision

Has everyone forgotten that a lot of countries at this stage have invaded each other, and that a lot of countries have a bloody and violent past.

The United Kingdom invaded many countries and massacred and killed many many people in the past.

Germany have obviously started two world wars.

Spain have invaded countries and done a lot of brutality to people in the past.

Should none of these countries be allowed to enter eurovision then. If we are going to put politics into it, nearly every European country would be banned from eurovision.

Israel is far from the only country in the world that have invaded and massacred people. Its awful, but it has also been awful when other countries did it. And many of them have. So I'm not sure why there was just the call for Israel to be banned

Eden had already announced she would be joining the IDF after Eurovision.

She has no choice. There is conscription and it doesn't matter what you think of gov policy, everyone does time in the IDF.

Peaceful opposition and protest against Netanyahu and the Israeli government's actions is not antisemitism. Quite the opposite.

Women can exempt themselves and volunteer in alternative non combatant organisations.

Israel was invaded and over a thousand of its citizens were massacred..They have gone to was because of it but they didn't start it.
But I agree with you that most countries don't have clean hands.

It’s a good point OP.

What the UK did to Iraq was unforgivable, they destroyed a beautiful country for literally nothing, it was VERY much an illegal war and yet we were allowed to compete throughout the early 00’s. Israel defend themselves (because Hamas DID start the current conflict) and they should be excluded?

Personally the only differing factor I can think of that stands between this double standard is that Israel is a Jewish country. One of the threads of the Telly Addicts Baird had some disgustingly anti-Semitic conspiracy theories peddled about Israel and then people wonder why they get called anti-Semitic.

I don’t think Russia should have been excluded, the inconsistency from Eurovision is terrible and gives in to the hysterical corner of social media that takes the sides Twitter tells them to take. I’m pleased that the Israeli contestant did well, she deserved it after having to tolerate so many threats, and she delivered a great performance.

Those who think she should have been banned - would you like other countries to assume you support all Tory policies and actions? Or would you like people to have enough brain cells to realise everyone is an independent being and their beliefs don’t necessarily reflect that of the government of the country they live in?

I agree with this. And people don’t realise how much their anti-Israel beliefs are in fact anti-Semitic. Anti-Jewish hate crimes have increased 250% worldwide since October 7th. That shows people DO think Jews are collectively responsible for the actions of the Israeli government

Who has said that’s reasonable? Can you tell me the names of posters?

The UK doesn’t rule over commonwealth countries

Are you saying Hamas are not human beings??

I understand if Eurovision have taken a hard line on “Objectively so and so started it, what was happened since it irrelevant because that’s war”. Russia started the Ukraine war in a very brutal way. Hamas started the Israeli war, in a very brutal way. It seems that people think because, unlike Ukraine Israel aren’t the weaker side, the ones ‘winning’ should be excluded rather than the ones starting it. I don’t agree I’m afraid and support the Eurovision decision

You may not have but plenty of people do and then play the innocent when called out on it. It happens A LOT on MN and given the rise in anti-semitism it’s happening in the real world too

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But you can go back and find them

You can play semantics all you like but Hamas have had control of Gaza since 2005.

Even my kids know you don’t start a fight if you can’t handle retaliation. Maybe if Gaza didn’t operate a terrorist government Israel wouldn’t need to defend themselves. Or did you expect Israel to shrug their shoulders after October 7th and say “Well that’s understandable we will do nothing in response”?

The difference is one war is easily accessible and trendy to support and people can get social media clout for their views, and all it takes is a little flag emoji.

The other requires people finding the information themselves and actually looking into it and the virtue signallers just don’t have the time, nor will they get their much needed clout from that

“This is a local Europe for local people” 😂😂😂

I love that other countries take part, it’s all part of the bonkers-ness of Eurovision

I actually think their justification was that Britain and the UN gifted them back their homeland after so many survived wheeling their dead relatives about in wheelbarrows and watching them burn to death, only to NOT in fact be greeted with open welcome arms by the rest of the world, but find they had no absolutely place to go back to, or place to go on to, and anti-semitism was so rife still that nowhere else was safe.

I do wonder if people believe that Jewish people were taken in by the rest of the world post-Holocaust and loved and taken care of? Because they weren’t. The propaganda had worked after all.

Offers of Jewish re-settlements in Palestine had actually been made pre-Holocaust after the progroms in Europe displaced and murdered tends of thousands of Jews who were blamed for the turmoil after the Russian Revolution, but many wanted to stay where they were,not having a clue what would eventually happen to them.

So Nothing to do with God. Wether it should have been gifted is a debatable but it was and given its now been 75 years, it doesn’t make economical or global sense to turf out the descendants. If we did this, I’m pretty sure every American could kiss goodbye to their home, as could every Australian, everyone in Northern Ireland probably England etc. it would be ethnic cleansing, and I’m horrified so many support that notion. I wonder what YOU would have done as a Holocaust survivor, having lost their family and still in danger wherever they went if someone said “You can have your homeland back to live with your kin in safety”. Would you have said no and spent the rest of your traumatised days as a nomad? I wouldn’t. So why do we need to punish the grandchildren of Israeli settlers for what happened 3 generations ago?

To be clear: I don’t support ethnic cleansing which is why I support a 2 state solution. Sadly it feels like a pipe dream whilst both Hamas and Netenyahu are in power. What’s happening in Gaza is truly awful, but that’s war - and it can start with the removal of Hamas. Because if you think Israel called a ceasefire tomorrow, that Hamas wouldn’t retaliate and that they return the hostages, you’re absolutely deluded.

"but that's war" is not an adequate defence for war crimes.

No they haven't
Israel has had a blockade on the Gaza Strip since 2007, hence the reason it is referred to as an open air prison.

All countries have a right to defend themselves what they do not have a right to do is commit genocide and demolish and decommission all infrastructure to sustain life.

They, as Hamas already have, now need to agree to a ceasefire or cessation of noice as they prefer it to be called.

This is not true about dual citizenships

The IDF is not a terrorist organisation no matter how much you want or think it shouldn’t be. What a ridiculous statement

Also Shamima Begum did not return to the UK

Agree
It’s worth pointing out that Hamas agree to a two state solution.
Israel do not.

I am from a Jewish family, I know many British Israelis and Jewish people with Israeli passports, not one has gone to fight with the IDF so I’m surprised someone who doesn’t appear to be part of the Jewish community has lost count of the number of people who have

It’s because you implied she’s some sort of warmonger than someone requires for national service.

The Holocaust Memorial Trust have very set definitions of what is anti-Semitic and making out Jewish people to be supportive of Israel’s actions, without proof, is one of them. Think before you post. Or at least fact check

Do you have any proof of this BTW? Google throws up nothing

Do you not think October 7th where women were kidnapped and raped and children taken hostage is a horrific atrocity that shouldn’t be silenced?

There is nowhere for Palestinians to go because nobody is offering them refuge. No other Arab countries are interested, nor Europe for Americans

They could perhaps address the rise in anti-Semitic crimes? Or if we are a world that expects counties to take retrospective responsibility from decades ago - like people expect of Israel - perhaps they could offer homes to Palestinians? Seeing as their actions in WW2 led to Israel being ‘gifted’ back to the Jewish people?