Israel and Eurovision

[Carly944]

I've seen all the protests that Israel shouldn't have been allowed to enter the Eurovision. I don't think politics should be part of eurovision

Has everyone forgotten that a lot of countries at this stage have invaded each other, and that a lot of countries have a bloody and violent past.

The United Kingdom invaded many countries and massacred and killed many many people in the past.

Germany have obviously started two world wars.

Spain have invaded countries and done a lot of brutality to people in the past.

Should none of these countries be allowed to enter eurovision then. If we are going to put politics into it, nearly every European country would be banned from eurovision.

Israel is far from the only country in the world that have invaded and massacred people. Its awful, but it has also been awful when other countries did it. And many of them have. So I'm not sure why there was just the call for Israel to be banned

Exactly this.

They didn’t follow through because brown lives don’t matter.

The number of Caucasian people who have emblazoned their social media with the Ukraine flag , but don’t bat an eyelid with anywhere else!

No worries.!
I’ll have to Google that song and have a listen.

I'd formed the impression, from her posts on this thread that @KeinLiebeslied54321 is Irish/Northern Irish, tbh.

Nope, thanks for your interest though.
(Why does it matter where I'm from?)

Apart from everything else i’ll not bother to mention

You do know Hamas agreed to a ceasefire last week.
The same one Israel agreed to in April but now won’t agree to.!

There are two I know of....there might be others. 🤣

Can you explain why Muslim Azerbaijan which has ethnically cleansed over 100,000 Armenian Christians (including babies) in recent months, was allowed to participate in Eurovision and why there have been no mass protests or calls for boycotts of their team? I bet you didn't even know about this genocide...

"The former chief prosecutor of the International Criminal Court, Luis Moreno Ocampo, describes..."“There is an ongoing genocide against 120,000 Armenians living in Nagorno-Karabakh,” he wrote in a recent report"" (from the article below).

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/02/opinion/armenia-azerbaijan-nagorno-karabakh.html

@JohnPrescottsPyjamas

You don't remember the anti-war demonstrations. The dodgy dossier. The non-existent WMD. The fact that Iraq had fuck all to do with 9/11.

That's all conveniently forgotten in a desperate attempt to justify the genocide in Gaza.

A genocide named as such by the UN, the huge number of aid agencies, Israeli media like Haaretz and Times of Israel, by B'tselem a human rights organisation run by Israeli lawyers in Israel, by many prominent Israeli Jews. And by the vast majority of countries bar the US.

The US are hardly a shining example of how to conduct operations overseas but even they have at least attempted to stick to International wartime guidelines and not just ransack an entire country, killing indiscriminately.

You may see the death of so many women and children as justified but I absolutely do not. Palestinian children are chewing on BARK as they are starving. To suggest that people shouldn't care about that is barbaric!

You will likely come back and say the actions of Hamas were barbaric, and YES THEY WERE, but that is not an excuse for continuing despicable behaviour in retaliation against innocents.

@AhNowTed
@Tattletwat

I live in Ireland, I'm from a former communist country (I'm orthodox just in case you thought Jewish).
I voted for Israel.
So did my pro Ukraine Russian friend who also lives here.

@SeulementUneFois

That's fine - because you simply liked the song?

Are you talking about the current Israeli government? That's politics.

Or are you really blaming all Jewish people everywhere? That's antisemitism.

Couldn’t read the link as it’s behind a paywall and not sure exactly how this relates to my post as I would fully support Azerbaijan and any other countries which have dubious human rights records also being banned from Eurovision to be honest!

Although the Armenian Christians are largely fleeing to Armenia rather than being trapped in Azerbaijan and repeatedly bombed and killed as is happening to Palestinians who mostly can’t flee Gaza. 400 deaths vs circa 35000 is not exactly comparable, although that absolutely doesn’t mean that I support what is happening to Armenian Christians. I don’t care what religion the state of Israel is, I don’t follow any religion so it’s all moot to me, but the scale of what is happening in Gaza and especially the number of children that have been killed in 6 months of war is incomparable to anything else happening at the moment. I have no sympathy for the soldiers (whether Hamas or Israeli) but I don’t know how anybody can be viewing the endless images of dead and injured babies and children in Gaza and the mass destruction and think it can be compared to any other recent or ongoing war.

Who said people shouldnt care? The whole situation is awful for all the innocent people dragged into it.
It is however the reaction that most countries would have if they were attacked to the scale that Israel has been, with the intent to wipe them out made clear as has been.

It's easy to sit there as an uninvolved party and say how awful it is, but realistically this is what happens when a country is threatened in such an extreme and violent way. Either there is an extreme response or the initial attack will just keep repeating as they promised to do.

And that doesn't mean any of it is good, its just that Israel is not doing anything differently to what almost every other country would do in the same situation.

Atrocities are being out across the middle East and Asia by what you call 'brown people' but apparently it only matters if it's Israelis who are involved doesn't matter if it's some other corrupt regime.

The number of people.who only care about the Palestinian crisis and not rest of middle East.

All this is pure antisemitism especially the use of certain terms.

@Tattletwat

Terms like what - genocide?

I can call it mass murder if you'd prefer.

But those calling it genocide include:

the UN, the huge number of aid agencies, Israeli media like Haaretz and Times of Israel, by B'tselem a human rights organisation run by Israeli lawyers in Israel, by many prominent Israeli Jews, by the many Jews on pro-Palestinian marches. And by the vast majority of countries worldwide.

No you don’t know that because they haven’t invaded first. You’ve posted about something you have little knowledge about. I suggest reading up.

Notice you are fixated with Israel but ignore the atrocities being carried out in the middle East by others.

@KeinLiebeslied54321 you are doing a sterling job on here. The OP would start an argument in an empty room.

@Tattletwat

"Notice you are fixated with Israel but ignore the atrocities being carried out in the middle East by others."

Not at all but the thread is about Israel.

Maybe I'll preface everything with "yes Israel is not the only one committed genocide but..."

Would that help?

This threads title is

Eurovision and Israel.

The clue is in the word Israel….surely!

@Tattletwat

"Nope because you are a racist with your constant mentions of 'brown people' it's bizarre."

What on earth are you talking about??

Not once have I used that term.

Assumed you were the person who was continually banging on about brown people who was replying to .e apologize for that but not the rest.

Maybe because Russia invaded Ukraine with no provocation, but Israel invaded Palestine because they came into Israel and tortured, murdered and kidnapped their people? Just a thought…..