Israel and Eurovision

[Carly944]

I've seen all the protests that Israel shouldn't have been allowed to enter the Eurovision. I don't think politics should be part of eurovision

Has everyone forgotten that a lot of countries at this stage have invaded each other, and that a lot of countries have a bloody and violent past.

The United Kingdom invaded many countries and massacred and killed many many people in the past.

Germany have obviously started two world wars.

Spain have invaded countries and done a lot of brutality to people in the past.

Should none of these countries be allowed to enter eurovision then. If we are going to put politics into it, nearly every European country would be banned from eurovision.

Israel is far from the only country in the world that have invaded and massacred people. Its awful, but it has also been awful when other countries did it. And many of them have. So I'm not sure why there was just the call for Israel to be banned

I have read about it and watched many documentaries about it, from a variety of sources.
Yes, some people were willing to risk their lives by not joining, but many of those who did join really felt they had no choice. Many ended up in prison or worse, or at the least unemployable in their current profession.

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Okay, again we are not just talking about the old Nazi regime in Germany on this thread. We are talking about wars in lots of different countries.

Do you have some connection to germany?

Once again, I'm correcting your incorrect information - I'll stop correcting it when it stops appearing.

And still many people are saying it isn't a genocide, so these agency's they can tell with their own eye who is Hamas and not forgive for not believing terrorists.

Also ask yourself why doesn't Egypt open their border.

You're completely missing the point of Eurovision.

It was set up shortly after WW2 to promote friendly relations and intercultural understanding in the hope that there would be greater solidarity between European nations and future wars would be avoided. So in that sense whatever countries did pre-eurovision is irrelevant. And Eurovision is inherently connected to politics / foreign policy and always has been.

If one country is behaving aggressively / illegally towards another then they shouldn't be allowed to take part as it goes against the entire ethos of the initiative.

Egypt won’t open their border because Israel will block re entry.

You didn't answer the question. The questikn was: Do you have some connection to germany.?

Because Germany is all you talk about on this thread ,when many other countries have been discussed

You didn't correct me.

I wrote that German civilians did have a choice to join the Nazi party or not.

That is factually accurate.

I can provide links here if you want.

Which platoon of the SAS did you serve in? You seem to be an expert in urban warfare.

assuming their username is relevant I’d say yes …..

either that or they just like the language ….

You seem very confused yourself as to what your argument actually is.

Sometimes you seem to be saying that because every country has done bad things / invaded someone else at some point no one should be held accountable for anything. i.e. all countries should be allowed in Eurovision regardless of who they invade or what atrocities they commit. And no one can stand up against anyone committing terrible acts NOW because our ancestors have done terrible crimes also.

But then in other posts you're talking about how the repercussions of war are still felt decades or hundreds of years on so all countries should be punished and held accountable for that indefinitely.

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I disagree.

I think I've said from the start, "how can we really judge israel and ban them, when so many countries in history have committed wars/atrocities ".

I feel I've been consistent with that

Ukraine isnt "at war" its defending itself from an Invader

OK. So to clarify your stance is: countries should be able to do what they like and face no repercussions because standing up to them would always be hypocritical due to atrocities committed by our ancestors?

Azerbaijan (a Muslim country) is literally ethnically cleansing Armenian Christians (over 100,000 so far) from their country, yet there have been no protests, no boycotts and nobody has called for them to be banned from Eurovision. This only applies to the one Jewish state that defends itself after a pogrom, not Muslim or Christian ones. Funny that....

"The former chief prosecutor of the International Criminal Court, Luis Moreno Ocampo, describes..."“There is an ongoing genocide against 120,000 Armenians living in Nagorno-Karabakh,” he wrote in a recent report"" (from the article below).

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/02/opinion/armenia-azerbaijan-nagorno-karabakh.html

Allowing Israel to compete was a political decision. Banning them would have been a political decision. It's political either way.

Israel are not doing nothing any differently from what the West (particularly the US) did after 9/11.

They experienced a terrorist attack on its people within its own borders so responded with might and power in order to find, punish and ultimately exterminate the masterminds behind the atrocity.

It is estimated between 800,000 and 1.3 million Iraqi and Afghan civilians have died as a consequence of the military response by the West to the attacks on the Twin Towers in which 2996 individuals died. People might not have been happy about it at the time by there certainly wasn’t the dividing along political lines and the hate and vitriol we are currently seeing on our streets. I certainly don’t recall the word genocide being bandied about so freely as it is currently, although the bombing and attacks by the the West at the time were just as targeted on hospitals and public infrastructures.

What I find so concerning is how much antisemitism was clearly bubbling just under the surface and how quickly it has reemerged. We have clearly learnt nothing from history.

If the US has the right to defend itself, so does Israel.

I'm pretty sure if the US had been attacked in the way the israelis were, and then with continued missile attacks, promises to repeat the barbaric attack, young children taken hostage etc then they would have flattened the country it was originating in.
Likely much quicker and harsher than Israel has been retaliating.

If you want me to stop correcting you then you're going the wrong way about it.

"We have clearly learnt nothing from history. "

The fucking irony of this.

I've already said I'm not German.
My name is from a song, which happens to be in German.
I'm simply providing accurate information, OP was the one to first mention Germany - for reasons still not quite clear.

My name is a song title - I like the song, no more to it than that.
Another poster told me recently thst there's another song of the same name, by a different band (not surprising as it's not that novel).
OP was the one who mentioned Germany to start with, I've simply corrected info that's not quite right (or relevant).

@Kandalama oops, essentially gave you a similar reply twice.