Israel and Eurovision

[Carly944]

I've seen all the protests that Israel shouldn't have been allowed to enter the Eurovision. I don't think politics should be part of eurovision

Has everyone forgotten that a lot of countries at this stage have invaded each other, and that a lot of countries have a bloody and violent past.

The United Kingdom invaded many countries and massacred and killed many many people in the past.

Germany have obviously started two world wars.

Spain have invaded countries and done a lot of brutality to people in the past.

Should none of these countries be allowed to enter eurovision then. If we are going to put politics into it, nearly every European country would be banned from eurovision.

Israel is far from the only country in the world that have invaded and massacred people. Its awful, but it has also been awful when other countries did it. And many of them have. So I'm not sure why there was just the call for Israel to be banned

There, corrected it for you.

'I'm not in the least bit anti semitic. I'm anti war and violence. If you look back on this thread, I said that what the Germans Nazi Regime did in world war two was horrific.'

You literally dismissed my comment about 7 Oct with what about the Palestinians. That's not anti war that's anti zionism at best and antisemitic at worst. You can't say you're anti war and anti murder of civilians and then just dismiss 7 Oct. It doesn't work like that.

Eurovision was set up post WWII in the spirit of peace and reconciliation in Europe. It’s now complicated by wars within Europe/involving current participating countries. The number of public votes given to both Israel and Ukraine had nothing to do with the music. It’s further complicated, as @Sugarfish says by the sponsorship of Eurovision by Moroccan Oil, an Israeli company.

Ah there you are again. You always pop up when Germany is mentioned.

You're so pedantic and defensive about germany!

Yeah eurovision was set up after world war two to try to encourage interaction and peace. So its sad that wars are affecting it again

Just making the sentence more accurate.

Lol my dad’s side of my family are Jewish. But sure, go around accusing people of being antisemitic or racist just because they don’t agree with everything Israel or the religion does.

My comment was more about the EBU acting unfairly, and I did think the Israel team were getting a hard time before the reports of what was happening backstage were leaked.

Israel are committing genocide currently. For that reason they should be excluded like Russia. It’s disgusting that anyone who criticises Israel’s atrocities is being shut down as an antisemite. It’s just a cheap easy way of discounting someone’s opinion.

Right but the Nazis weren't just a ruling party.

A huge amount of German civilians at the time joined the Nazis for benefits. If we want to be very accurate.

@MumblesParty exactly.
Not agreeing with the actions of the leaders of any country does not equate to being anti-their (main) religion.

You misinterpreted. The ‘technically’ referred to who started it first. She wasn’t saying it wasn’t an attack.

There's lots of videos from people who were actually at the venue in the audience and the booing was very loud. Clever how they dubbed it out on the tv though but does make you wonder what else is hidden from us.

Yes.

Thank you

Do you understand anything at all about living in a dictatorship? Have you studied any modern European history at all?
Many professions, doctors, teachers etc, were forced to join the party otherwise they were deemed unemployable (or even faced other consequences such as imprisonment or worse). School children were indoctrinated from an early age and propaganda was a way of life!

There is debates about if it's genocide or not.

Also the reports by Hamas a terrorist organization on deaths are not to be trusted as many commentators agree.

Does Australia still enter the Eurovision? I think it's crazy that a European song contest allows countries from outside Europe to enter! I just don't understand what thought process arrived at this decision. I mean the USA is full of people with European ancestory so why not let them compete or various South American countries.

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Aid agencies on the ground, who themselves have lost hundreds of aid workers and doctors, and can see the bodies of dead Palestinians with their own eyes, would disagree with you.

We're constantly being told by the media that public opinion is moving against Israel or that politicians in an election year need to change their foreign policy on Israel in order not to alienate those people who are taking part in pro-Palestine marches or campus protests, but last night Israel almost won the public vote in Eurovision with what was just an ok-ish mid-table-worthy song. When you look at the full breakdown of voting, Israel was actually awarded more first and second places than the country which narrowly won the public vote.

Ok, this was just Eurovision, but the public vote was undoubtedly a political one. People don't like what happened on October 7th, they don't like the way Israel has been demonised, they don't like the return of rabid anti-Semitism, they don't like the intimidating nature of the 'peaceful' protests, and they really didn't like the way that Malmö and some of the other delegations treated Eden Golan. When they were given the chance to really have their say, they grabbed it.

This Eurovision has really brought out textbook anti-Semitism: Eden Golan was confined to her hotel room because people wanted to kill her but was asked by a journalist if her presence was making everyone else unsafe; fellow and former contestants were either openly hostile or forced by the mob to disavow her company; when she and her team rehearsed performing in front of an angry crowd they were accused of making fun of the protestors; when the Dutch entrant was disqualified due to his own alleged nasty behaviour, the rumour travelled halfway round the world that the Israelis had mocked his dead parents; when that proved not to be true the rumour changed to powerful Israeli sponsors getting him thrown out of the competition; when the truth about the Dutch situation came out it didn't stop some of the spectators venting their frustrations on Eden Golan anyway; when Israel did well in the public vote it was put down to an Israeli conspiracy rather than just the public being mightily pissed off at the injustice of all of the above. It was all a classic example of whatever Israel does its enemies will always find a way of putting it in the wrong.

I have read a lot of books about world war two actually. I have done a lot of study on it.

. People did have a choice to join the nazis or not.

It definitely made people's lives easier and gave them more power if they joined the Nazis, but German civilians did have a choice.

I read books that were written by German civilians at the time.

One man was a lawyer, he wrote a book about what it was like in Germany at the time.

He wrote that he and five of his friends went to law school, and they all graduated and became lawyers before the Nazis got into power. He said they had all been very close friends

He said that when the nazis came into power, three of his friends decided to join the Nazis, and him and two of his other friends decided not to join the nazis.

And they never did. And they weren't forced to become nazis. People chose to do it or not.

People did have a choice. Read about it

Israel weren’t attacked first pre October 7th Israel have been attacking Palestine on a daily basis but guess what the west want you to think it was all about October 7th. Do you know the hostages would have been released already but the Israeli government don’t want the hostages they want to continue with the war. See beyond what sunak and Biden feed you.

I think many people will have felt sympathy for Eden Golan, she is very young but a few thousand telephone votes is nothing

attitudes have certainly changed Labour listen, Tories have listen and more important in this issue is that Biden has listened

countries are not back Israel as they usually do or turning a blind eye when only a year ago they were quite happy to as Isreal continued to break international law

The first Eurovision was 1956 so a lot of past atrocities are prior to this.

Russia was initially banned the day after it invaded Ukraine
Now of course that’s changed and their ban is down to Russian press/ staff.

Israel are killing Palestinians still despite Hamas agreeing to a ceasefire. The same ceasefire Israel agreed to in April but are now refusing to back.

Whilst everyone was cheering Israel’s votes, the IDF were bombing both the north ( they said they’d killed all of Hamas there so they are just bombing infrastructure and civilians then ) and the South leaving nowhere for civilians to go.
Israeli settlers have been destroying aid trying to enter and the IDF have been blocking it as well.
Israel are not only committing genocide but are allowing a population to starve, along with their own countrymen there as hostages.

Israel should have been banned just like Russia was.

@EsmaCannonball

When you look at the full breakdown of voting, Israel was actually awarded more first and second places than the country which narrowly won the public vote.

I suspect if Israel had done badly in the public vote last night this thread would never have been generated, or would have been a gloating one along the lines of it “serves them right.

The outrage over Israel even being there seemed to start last night on the live Eurovision threads as the reality sank in and those who have maybe been living in echo chambers for almost 6 months were shocked to discover that not everybody agreed with their view of current events.

Hmmmmm nothing the slightest bit political about Eurovision. Beyond any shadow of doubt, Ukraine winning it in 2022 was entirely based on musical talent! 🤣

Edited to show a big thumbs-up for @EsmaCannonball 's post above.