Israel and Eurovision

[Carly944]

I've seen all the protests that Israel shouldn't have been allowed to enter the Eurovision. I don't think politics should be part of eurovision

Has everyone forgotten that a lot of countries at this stage have invaded each other, and that a lot of countries have a bloody and violent past.

The United Kingdom invaded many countries and massacred and killed many many people in the past.

Germany have obviously started two world wars.

Spain have invaded countries and done a lot of brutality to people in the past.

Should none of these countries be allowed to enter eurovision then. If we are going to put politics into it, nearly every European country would be banned from eurovision.

Israel is far from the only country in the world that have invaded and massacred people. Its awful, but it has also been awful when other countries did it. And many of them have. So I'm not sure why there was just the call for Israel to be banned

No it wasn't. This didn't start on October 7th. You could go back to the invasion by Israeli 'settlers' or as far back as the creation of Israel itself.

None of what's happened justifies the war crimes being committed by this Israeli government.

You could also say that the Palestinians say they own a patch of land, and the Israelis say they own a patch of land....

But no one ever truly owns a patch of land. The land is there. No one owns it

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Israel didn’t create the 1st naqba and forcibly remove Palestinians from their homes in 1947.

If people can call for Russia to be banned, they can call for Israel to be banned (and anywhere else, for that matter).

Proves nothing I'm sure people were doing this in voting for other countries rather than Israel.

Someone tweets something it's now proof😂

Really this has been explained many times in this thread.

I agree. Also Russia. Also sport
The politics of thd country cannot be blamed on innocent citizens
Unless they have been individually charged with anything then they should be allowed to compete

Good grief. The total lack of historical accuracy here is really disturbing 😳 Are you Israeli? This is such a total whitewash of historical fact bordering on outright lies

@Tattletwat

Proves nothing, sure.

But even you can't be deluded enough to think that vehemently pro-Palestine Ireland actually voted 10 points to Israel.

And the further delusion that this somehow supports a genocidal regime.

But even you can't be deluded enough to think that vehemently pro-Palestine Ireland actually voted 10 points to Israel.

But how do you know the Irish population are all 'vehemently pro Palestine'? Has anyone polled them?

The noisiest voices aren't always representative

Where is your evidence they are vehemently pro Palestine.

People who are pro/anti something use this excuse all the time.

I can't speak for Ireland but do you know in the UK despite big protests most people do not give a shit about Israel or Palestine side of the conflict people don't care about it, they are living their life's struggling or not caring about what's going off.

Try telling that to proud home owners in the UK or most of the world. They imagine they have bought the house and the land and if you decide to move in they will object.

what if they stole it- forcing that family out in a very violent manner?

Israel shouldn’t have entered as they were obviously going to attract protests and controversy which have made other contestants feel unsafe.

The Israeli team have reportedly been harassing the other contestants backstage for the last week, a few of them have started to speak out today about the nasty atmosphere, and the general feeling was the Dutch guy’s disqualification was because of conflict between him and the Israeli singer, with the “backstage incident” being used as the “official” reason. Swedish police have confirmed he did nothing criminal. A few contestants threatened to pull out of the final yesterday because of the unfairness.

Eurovision’s biggest sponsor, Moroccan oil, just happen to be an Israeli company. In the end everything comes down to money.

Israel wasn't invaded. It was subject to a hideous and inexcusable terrorist attack. Nobody denies that.

Their response, however, has been invasion and tens of thousands of innocent lives have been lost as a result.

If the US had flattened Afghanistan in the months after 9-11, killing tens of thousands of innocents, would that have been OK?

Technically??
The slaughter of innocent civilians is only "technically" an attack....careful now your antisemitism is showing.

Is that you, Benjamin?

Paranoia, conspiracy and antisemitism all in one brilliant....you just need to say they all have big noses...

I heard on the BBC Eurovisioncast podcast that the EBU (European Broadcasting Union) didn't want to ban Russia at all, initially. The line was they wanted it to be about the music and ignore politics.
But there was pressure by other broadcasters, and also complications due to the financial sanctions. Especially problematic since Russia was a major financial contributor.
It makes more sense in that context - they wouldn't ban a country unless they had to due to sanctions; they are not about to start looking at situations in every country and evaluate them.
They should have allowed all flags, maybe, then people could express themselves? It's a shame the young Israeli was booed, you'd think people would show restraint towards innocent individuals.
And I went to marches for Palestine, I'm v aware of the situation.

What about the slaughter of the tens of thousands of Palestinians? Or do they not count? Or did they ask for it?

Where did I say that. I am horrified by what is happening. But I am also horrified by what happened on 7 Oct. Which is apparently only "tachnically" an attack? Or do Jews not matter. The fact that ignoring that this is what triggered this off or even worse denying it completely is horrifying.

I said technically because on this occasion Palestine invaded israel first.

However if you look at the longer history _ israel have been the main aggressors against Palestine.

Everyone knows that.

So We can say Palestine started the war on this occasion. However in the longer history israel have treated Palestine terribly in the past.

It's also in my opinion shocking to call someone anti- semitic, when they have any opinion about a war. As you just did. You wouldn't be allowed to say that to someone in real life.

I'm not in the least bit anti semitic. I'm anti war and violence. If you look back on this thread, I said that what the Germans did in world war two was horrific.

I didn't say it was "technically" an attack.

I said Palestine technically attacked israel first on this occasion. I was talking about who was the first to do it.

I meant that Palestine attacked israel first this time, but that Israel have abused Palestine terribly in the past, so can we really say who "started" it

I'm confused? So technically 7 Oct wasn't an attack? The brutal rape, murder, torture and kidnap of civilians? Because Palestine had been attacked before??
But the counter attack was not justified? Because?
Wow. Yes that is antisemitic whether you think so or not.

The poster didn't mean that at all @BurnoutGP . You are looking to take offence.

The term anti-Semite loses all meaning the way it's bandied about.