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Not coping with adult child being back home

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movienights · 10/05/2024 10:51

Ds has moved back home after 3 years living with his ex.
He's 25 and he does absolutely nothing around the house or garden, if he's asked to do something he'll do such a poor job that it will need doing again, he can't wash up properly and leaves frying pans and pots grease stained and dirty so dh or I have now said leave the washing up so we can do it properly, the washing up he accumulates is only his packed lunch he cooks salmon or chops to take and rice or potatoes late at night so we have to wake up and clean up.
I cook his main meal with the family which I'm happy to do as I would anyway and one more portion is nothing.
He has all his washing done for him because he's so heavy handed with the buttons and broke the last machine, he peels his clothes off and puts them in the laundry basket inside out, even socks, he treads down so hard on the pedal bin we're on about our 3rd this year, he's broken the front and back door and his bedroom door just by being heavy handed yanking the handle, he leaves the bathroom soaked through every day and his towel on the floor because no amount of asking him to open window sinks in, he leaves black marks all over the house from his dirty hands, (he works in a filthy factory) it cleans off but is extra work, he makes so much mess and work for me and does nothing, or puts such little effort into reluctantly doing what's asked that I have to do it again anyway.
He has no life outside of work, no friends and no hobbies never leaves the house which he seems happy with, he works the same hours as us so is in his room all night every night a thin wall away so our sex life has nose dived.

He's now informed us he's going to go back to college and then do an apprenticeship after, which I admire anyone who wants to better themselves but this just screams I'm not going anywhere anytime soon.
He lies to us constantly, he's also very unsociable and keeps his life very private so even having a conversation or exchanging pleasantries is awkward because he doesn't like questions so even how was your day is a one word answer so not to give anything away.
I make allowances for him because he is possibly autistic or has ADHD but refuses to get assessed as he feels he's just the way he is and doesn't want a diagnosis or medication.

I am I constantly arguing with dh about something else he's done because dh moans to me as ds won't be spoken to about anything, it's like living with a teenager who just storms off at the first sign of criticism or he'll shout and argue back and then nothing changes except the atmosphere.

I feel completely snowed under with the situation, our marriage is at breaking point and there's nothing I can do about it because he's likely going to be here for the foreseeable future if not forever.

OP posts:
Elsewhere123 · 10/05/2024 15:57

He sounds dyspraxic and autistic. Throw him out and he will become homeless and ill. Tough love doesn't work for ND people. If you can afford it offer to help with the apprenticeship if you think it would help him and your DH will agree. Ask your DH if he wants an ill homeless son or if he can find the kindness and patience to try to help his son constructively. Ultimatums and threats don't motivate people who are not coping. Obviously a diagnosis would be very helpful, maybe a chat with your GP could give you ideas how to encourage cooperation.

Fraaahnces · 11/05/2024 03:50

Ffs, nothing OP has stated makes him sound anything other than moody and entitled.

Starlight7080 · 11/05/2024 04:06

At what age did he move out? Did he cope ? Has he always lived with you then girlfriend? Did she do everything for him?
It's tricky as so easy to say just tell him to move out , but obviously life is never that simple.
But my brother is 34 and still living with my parents. Very similar to your ds . And he has gotten worse over the years.
My parents did him no favours by doing everything for him. He has no life skills and acts like a spoilt child. And yet they continue to look after him . They are retired and it's caused so much stress for them .

Scintella · 11/05/2024 05:00

I work with lads who have this adhd/autism problem at a charity - they are supposedly working voluntarily until a suitable job comes along - but that doesn’t happen. They live alone and are huge, living on takeaways. Watching tv the rest of the time.
They need support and possibly a new assessment of their issues, ? Better meds but someone has to advocate and they have to agree.

Noras · 11/05/2024 06:12

Lots of people are anti social and rude but not autistic.

One thing you cannot do is determine that or diagnose from a thread on social media. If he does have ASD if would be at the more milder end because it has not been flagged up hitherto by school etc and moreover he had a girlfriend which is a huge feat for someone with more significant ASD especially before the age of 25.

That behaviour could equally be a symptom of depression where he is not really coping but just about able to keep going. Why did he split from his girlfriend?

Equally, It might be the case that he is a rude antisocial person who doesn’t care that you are having to clean up after him. He should then be treated accordingly.

In any event, ASD is no excuse for his behaviour. My son who has complex needs with ASD would be in real trouble for acting like that as he had learnt to show respect to us but also to himself. He would be counselled to explain that sort of behaviour was wrong and he would be extremely keen to try his best.

I do despair at people suggesting that based on this it sounds like ASD. ASD is far more than just being anti social - it’s a huge range of issues.

Anxiety is a huge issue often with ASD. An example is that my son called me about 5 times in succession because he was concerned about his college work and his life skills course. He then called his father a few times. He then called me back because he was feeling anxious and wanted to hear my voice. So this carried on a succession of calls until he got home and called me to ask how to put his laundry on. He wants to do chores but gets really anxious eg re washing glass bowls or carrying trays etc. ASD is not being lazy - it’s struggling to do things due to anxiety or lesser so, not seeing the reason for the action.

Not understanding people’s intentions and literal interpretation of language is a huge issue - why are people talking to him, why are they requiring information? Why do they ask where he lives? This inability to grasp the other persons intentions creates fear and anxiety. At school you would have had all sorts of communication issues eg teachers instructions such as ‘take a page’ son confused ‘mum where do I take a page to?’ He was terrified at school by some completely innocent remarks. He failed to understand body language or people’s expressions - it’s a terrifying world to be honest. You would have encountered huge issues at secondary school with communication problems.

Also they have to learn to understand how people feel and this can be tough for instance when my father was dying so my son had to think it through ‘ you are upset because your dad is dying…’

This can be hugely impactful in a work environment. Your son is managing to hold down a job - this is rare with ASD when unemployment rates are about 70%. Few have girlfriends or form any form of relationship because they don’t get past the communication issues.

ASD is also accompanied with repetitive behaviour and rigidity of thought. My son literally bounces up and down whilst trying to do things eg he tried to cook himself a pancake at 5am whilst wearing socks on a hard floor and bouncing. He then proceeded to bounce upstairs at 6am. For years he would
bounce and grunt in front of the tv. Also there was years of hand flapping and just odd gestures. As a child he toes walked and had special boots.

Inability to control the object of hyperfocus which for my son is History. He is currently obsessed with the Ottoman invasion of Christian Europe and the various battles yet he already has a History A level and needs to focus on Politics but can’t drag himself away from the fascination of this obscure topic to the extent he walks around the house with headphones plugged in listening for several hours, He knows that he has to learn about how Parliament works but some obscure historical battle in far more fixating - this can devastate learning and ability to function - eg ensure nutrition.

SPD or sensory issues are huge - aversions to noise, tastes, smells. The likelihood of working in an industrial setting is low. The reality is this permeates into daily life. You are aware as a parent of every bin in the street or overgrown bush by a pavement. You are aware of where speakers are in cafes. You would have been dragged out of shopping malls when he was a child. There were no party invites or if there was an invite it would be hugely terrifying to the person with ASD who wants to fit in but can’t cope. As a consequence, people with ASD have odd facial expressions of grimacing or contorted body language so for instance have to learn to relax the body to look more ‘normal’. I cannot describe the walk but for instance my son will walk like that as he gets into a swimming pool today.

People say that ASD is hidden but at a level where it’s impacting the ability to live - I don’t think so. It takes 5 minutes for people to see that something is wrong. ..there is a difference in posture, mannerisms etc. As parents we can pretty much see more significant ASD - the walk , demeanor or gait is a real giveaway.

The lack of executive functioning is something less. …literally everything might have to be run for them eg what he is doing on every day

There so much that I could write - but it’s a triad of impairment and not just being anti social and not washing up properly. If properly diagnosed by the NHS it’s a multi disciplinary team and they look at language, OT issues etc. Also the assessment is done in a variety of settings. This is the gold standard.

There are lots of private assessments of ASD but I’m not sure how comprehensive those are.

Dyspraxia is also more complex than being heavy handed and breaking a bin! It’s not dyspraxia it’s now motor coordination disorder. There would be numerous symptoms when younger too many to go into. Not even knowing where your nose is and being able to touch it might be a clue. Falling over slightly higher grass or manhole covers. There would be an inability to open packets or cans, chop things etc. These can be overcome to a degree with repeat practice and aids etc. Again school would flag as there would be comprehensive issues eg in PE, DS , using a Bunsen burner in Science etc As a child there would have been issues with jumping and hopping on one leg etc etc.He would have struggled to ride a bike and would have learnt to alternate feet down stairs at a far older age eg 7-10 as opposed to 3-4.

Bagwyllydiart · 11/05/2024 06:22

Change the locks and go NC.

icallshade · 11/05/2024 07:37

Give him a 3 month deadline and he needs to move out.
If he could afford to live with his ex, he can afford to live in a house share.
He's 25 not 18, time to grow up.

Blinkeredsoul34 · 11/05/2024 08:00

movienights · 10/05/2024 10:51

Ds has moved back home after 3 years living with his ex.
He's 25 and he does absolutely nothing around the house or garden, if he's asked to do something he'll do such a poor job that it will need doing again, he can't wash up properly and leaves frying pans and pots grease stained and dirty so dh or I have now said leave the washing up so we can do it properly, the washing up he accumulates is only his packed lunch he cooks salmon or chops to take and rice or potatoes late at night so we have to wake up and clean up.
I cook his main meal with the family which I'm happy to do as I would anyway and one more portion is nothing.
He has all his washing done for him because he's so heavy handed with the buttons and broke the last machine, he peels his clothes off and puts them in the laundry basket inside out, even socks, he treads down so hard on the pedal bin we're on about our 3rd this year, he's broken the front and back door and his bedroom door just by being heavy handed yanking the handle, he leaves the bathroom soaked through every day and his towel on the floor because no amount of asking him to open window sinks in, he leaves black marks all over the house from his dirty hands, (he works in a filthy factory) it cleans off but is extra work, he makes so much mess and work for me and does nothing, or puts such little effort into reluctantly doing what's asked that I have to do it again anyway.
He has no life outside of work, no friends and no hobbies never leaves the house which he seems happy with, he works the same hours as us so is in his room all night every night a thin wall away so our sex life has nose dived.

He's now informed us he's going to go back to college and then do an apprenticeship after, which I admire anyone who wants to better themselves but this just screams I'm not going anywhere anytime soon.
He lies to us constantly, he's also very unsociable and keeps his life very private so even having a conversation or exchanging pleasantries is awkward because he doesn't like questions so even how was your day is a one word answer so not to give anything away.
I make allowances for him because he is possibly autistic or has ADHD but refuses to get assessed as he feels he's just the way he is and doesn't want a diagnosis or medication.

I am I constantly arguing with dh about something else he's done because dh moans to me as ds won't be spoken to about anything, it's like living with a teenager who just storms off at the first sign of criticism or he'll shout and argue back and then nothing changes except the atmosphere.

I feel completely snowed under with the situation, our marriage is at breaking point and there's nothing I can do about it because he's likely going to be here for the foreseeable future if not forever.

This sounds so difficult op, I’m sorry.

There are two completely different answers to this though depending on whether he has ADHD or ASD or not?

For a 26 year old who lives like this who is not ND, then I would have no hesitation in talking to him about moving out in to shared accommodation where others will not be so tolerant. When he raised the subject of an apprenticeship I would have said “and where are you going to live because this current situation isn’t working for us” and I would support him with a deposit and perhaps with some money for the duration of his studies.

For the situation as it stands though, I would still have a family meeting and list all the issues clearly and tell him that you are finding this intolerable and make his accommodation with you dependent upon him seeking a diagnosis, as he may have genuine issues with executive function, communication, social interaction, dyspraxia etc, which he cannot help. Then at least you, and he, will know what you are dealing with?

Finally if your house is big enough for visitors, then I would invite other family members and friends to come and stay so that he feels slightly less comfortable with contributing so little and creating so much mess and you get some support.

I think the fact that he wants to study and move out is a good sign. It means he is not content to stay as he is. And I would leap on this opportunity to support him finding accommodation elsewhere once the apprenticeship starts. It will be worth every penny.

Nicole1111 · 11/05/2024 08:04

I don’t mean to be rude but you keep posting the same thing and I’m struggling to see what physical steps you’ve taken to address what’s happening? If nothing changes, nothing changes …… You’ve got plenty of smaller options, such as putting boundaries and consequences in, he pays for a cleaner, he replaces what he has broken, he has to do his own laundry and cooking etc, and bigger ones, like giving him notice, or by telling him if you don’t see an improvement in his behaviour by a set date then he’s out.

cuckyplunt · 11/05/2024 08:07

Well, no surprise that his relationship split up then…

sashh · 11/05/2024 08:14

Stop doing things for him and make him pay rent. Quite a lot of rent, most of his wage.

Don't let him use the washing machine, tell him where the nearest laundry is.

Make him buy his own set of pans and not use yours, lock yours away if you need to.

SensationalSusie · 11/05/2024 08:53

If he is autistic/adhd then likely you will have him home much longer as he needs the support. His former partner probably acted like a support worker and took that burden off your hands.

The best thing you could do is get him assessed for both conditions (get him referred to nhs services - if there are adult services for autism and adhd in your area, then find a private provider who complies with NICE guidelines and phone and check with nhs dept that they will accept reports from said service - local autism and adhd charities can help you find somewhere suitable. If the diagnoses are confirmed and he’s still having problems with independent living and needing you to do so much for him then apply for PIP (see advice for filling in forms online from charities).

You need to emphasise to him that he is shooting himself in the foot by not having the disability recognised - even if he doesn’t get pip, he would be entitled to more student finance, able to get more benefits while studying, disabled students allowance, disability support and equipment (if applicable).

In short, he is more likely to be able to live independently if you get this sorted because he will have the support and money he is due. Up to you, if he is ND he may not have the organisational skills for the mammoth tasks and his anxiety will impede him.

movienights · 11/05/2024 09:09

Dh biggest issue is that he never goes out of an evening and we never get any privacy so sex suffers.
He doesn't seem to see much past that.
He's broken his bedroom door where he's so heavy handed and so it's always open a thin wall from ours and he stays up until late.

OP posts:
LeaveTheClocksAlone · 11/05/2024 09:15

OUT 👉🚪

SensationalSusie · 11/05/2024 09:17

Noras · 11/05/2024 06:12

Lots of people are anti social and rude but not autistic.

One thing you cannot do is determine that or diagnose from a thread on social media. If he does have ASD if would be at the more milder end because it has not been flagged up hitherto by school etc and moreover he had a girlfriend which is a huge feat for someone with more significant ASD especially before the age of 25.

That behaviour could equally be a symptom of depression where he is not really coping but just about able to keep going. Why did he split from his girlfriend?

Equally, It might be the case that he is a rude antisocial person who doesn’t care that you are having to clean up after him. He should then be treated accordingly.

In any event, ASD is no excuse for his behaviour. My son who has complex needs with ASD would be in real trouble for acting like that as he had learnt to show respect to us but also to himself. He would be counselled to explain that sort of behaviour was wrong and he would be extremely keen to try his best.

I do despair at people suggesting that based on this it sounds like ASD. ASD is far more than just being anti social - it’s a huge range of issues.

Anxiety is a huge issue often with ASD. An example is that my son called me about 5 times in succession because he was concerned about his college work and his life skills course. He then called his father a few times. He then called me back because he was feeling anxious and wanted to hear my voice. So this carried on a succession of calls until he got home and called me to ask how to put his laundry on. He wants to do chores but gets really anxious eg re washing glass bowls or carrying trays etc. ASD is not being lazy - it’s struggling to do things due to anxiety or lesser so, not seeing the reason for the action.

Not understanding people’s intentions and literal interpretation of language is a huge issue - why are people talking to him, why are they requiring information? Why do they ask where he lives? This inability to grasp the other persons intentions creates fear and anxiety. At school you would have had all sorts of communication issues eg teachers instructions such as ‘take a page’ son confused ‘mum where do I take a page to?’ He was terrified at school by some completely innocent remarks. He failed to understand body language or people’s expressions - it’s a terrifying world to be honest. You would have encountered huge issues at secondary school with communication problems.

Also they have to learn to understand how people feel and this can be tough for instance when my father was dying so my son had to think it through ‘ you are upset because your dad is dying…’

This can be hugely impactful in a work environment. Your son is managing to hold down a job - this is rare with ASD when unemployment rates are about 70%. Few have girlfriends or form any form of relationship because they don’t get past the communication issues.

ASD is also accompanied with repetitive behaviour and rigidity of thought. My son literally bounces up and down whilst trying to do things eg he tried to cook himself a pancake at 5am whilst wearing socks on a hard floor and bouncing. He then proceeded to bounce upstairs at 6am. For years he would
bounce and grunt in front of the tv. Also there was years of hand flapping and just odd gestures. As a child he toes walked and had special boots.

Inability to control the object of hyperfocus which for my son is History. He is currently obsessed with the Ottoman invasion of Christian Europe and the various battles yet he already has a History A level and needs to focus on Politics but can’t drag himself away from the fascination of this obscure topic to the extent he walks around the house with headphones plugged in listening for several hours, He knows that he has to learn about how Parliament works but some obscure historical battle in far more fixating - this can devastate learning and ability to function - eg ensure nutrition.

SPD or sensory issues are huge - aversions to noise, tastes, smells. The likelihood of working in an industrial setting is low. The reality is this permeates into daily life. You are aware as a parent of every bin in the street or overgrown bush by a pavement. You are aware of where speakers are in cafes. You would have been dragged out of shopping malls when he was a child. There were no party invites or if there was an invite it would be hugely terrifying to the person with ASD who wants to fit in but can’t cope. As a consequence, people with ASD have odd facial expressions of grimacing or contorted body language so for instance have to learn to relax the body to look more ‘normal’. I cannot describe the walk but for instance my son will walk like that as he gets into a swimming pool today.

People say that ASD is hidden but at a level where it’s impacting the ability to live - I don’t think so. It takes 5 minutes for people to see that something is wrong. ..there is a difference in posture, mannerisms etc. As parents we can pretty much see more significant ASD - the walk , demeanor or gait is a real giveaway.

The lack of executive functioning is something less. …literally everything might have to be run for them eg what he is doing on every day

There so much that I could write - but it’s a triad of impairment and not just being anti social and not washing up properly. If properly diagnosed by the NHS it’s a multi disciplinary team and they look at language, OT issues etc. Also the assessment is done in a variety of settings. This is the gold standard.

There are lots of private assessments of ASD but I’m not sure how comprehensive those are.

Dyspraxia is also more complex than being heavy handed and breaking a bin! It’s not dyspraxia it’s now motor coordination disorder. There would be numerous symptoms when younger too many to go into. Not even knowing where your nose is and being able to touch it might be a clue. Falling over slightly higher grass or manhole covers. There would be an inability to open packets or cans, chop things etc. These can be overcome to a degree with repeat practice and aids etc. Again school would flag as there would be comprehensive issues eg in PE, DS , using a Bunsen burner in Science etc As a child there would have been issues with jumping and hopping on one leg etc etc.He would have struggled to ride a bike and would have learnt to alternate feet down stairs at a far older age eg 7-10 as opposed to 3-4.

@Noras

I find a lot of your post somewhat ludicrous.

Just because someone has ‘milder’ asd/aspergers does not mean they do not have substantial difficulty. This is precisely why high and low functioning labels/aspergers have been done away with and all are now under the asd umbrella.

Being able to have a romantic relationship does not indicate level of disability, particularly since you find a lot of those with asd will seek out and have relationships with other asd people (lower social demand).

Your son has a diagnosis and no doubt has had long term support, no? OP’s hasn’t, due to his refusal to get diagnosed and parents/school not recognising it and pursuing diagnosis and support earlier in life. Now they have a total mess to deal with.

Nobody has suggested anything based on examples. OP has stated there is likelihood of underlying ASD/ADHD which is why she gives him a by ball for his behaviour.

Instead of giving us war and peace of how your son is impacted, you could accept that autism is a spectrum and people can be impacted differently - just because your son has xyz impairments does not mean that everyone else with autism conforms.

Case in point - I have had multiple romantic relationships since 12/13 and am married - shock/horror I am autistic!! I also have several third level qualifications…. It had an enormous impact on my life… but I wasn’t diagnosed until after my children. It was obvious there were issues but it was always attributed to something else and thus was missed… it happens.

I’m prepared to accept at face value from OP that if she deems there may be underlying issues they are likely there. I don’t need her son’s life history to validate that, because if she is coping with an undiagnosed, unsupported adult autistic in her house she is likely exhausted enough.

ginasevern · 11/05/2024 09:18

So many questions.

What was he like at home before he moved out. How/where did he meet his girlfriend given that he has no social life. Why is he taking pork chops and salmon for lunch everyday and not sandwiches!

Does he need financial help to live independently and are you able to offer that?

Youcannotbeseriousreally · 11/05/2024 09:23

OP he is 25 YEARS OLD.

he needs to be shown the door, give him a months notice to fix everything he has destroyed and get the hell out.

Zanatdy · 11/05/2024 09:24

You’ve enabled him by not asking him to do things if not done right, make him do them again, and again. Or he moves out. He can’t go to college if you want him to move to a shared house

Ponoka7 · 11/05/2024 09:30

So when he hit 11, you didn't insist on him pitching in with household jobs? There wasn't issues at school etc that meant that you pushed for a diagnosis? His lack if friends/social life wasn't a worry for you?
Really we have to leap back ten years and ask why he's been allowed to get away with this behaviour and hasn't had support (if ND). At the moment it looks like you've both ignored his issues and just want rid.

AGodawfulsmallaffair · 11/05/2024 09:30

OriginalUsername2 · 10/05/2024 14:27

I’m chuckling a bit at you and your husband marvelling at how useless he is when he’s your son and was brought up by you 😆

Indeed, me too 😆

Noras · 11/05/2024 09:58

SensationalSusie · 11/05/2024 09:17

@Noras

I find a lot of your post somewhat ludicrous.

Just because someone has ‘milder’ asd/aspergers does not mean they do not have substantial difficulty. This is precisely why high and low functioning labels/aspergers have been done away with and all are now under the asd umbrella.

Being able to have a romantic relationship does not indicate level of disability, particularly since you find a lot of those with asd will seek out and have relationships with other asd people (lower social demand).

Your son has a diagnosis and no doubt has had long term support, no? OP’s hasn’t, due to his refusal to get diagnosed and parents/school not recognising it and pursuing diagnosis and support earlier in life. Now they have a total mess to deal with.

Nobody has suggested anything based on examples. OP has stated there is likelihood of underlying ASD/ADHD which is why she gives him a by ball for his behaviour.

Instead of giving us war and peace of how your son is impacted, you could accept that autism is a spectrum and people can be impacted differently - just because your son has xyz impairments does not mean that everyone else with autism conforms.

Case in point - I have had multiple romantic relationships since 12/13 and am married - shock/horror I am autistic!! I also have several third level qualifications…. It had an enormous impact on my life… but I wasn’t diagnosed until after my children. It was obvious there were issues but it was always attributed to something else and thus was missed… it happens.

I’m prepared to accept at face value from OP that if she deems there may be underlying issues they are likely there. I don’t need her son’s life history to validate that, because if she is coping with an undiagnosed, unsupported adult autistic in her house she is likely exhausted enough.

Edited

Actually ASD is banded into levels and clearly you can be married and have a family which is the exact case in point. He can wash up if he has a milder issue. The removal of the Asperger differential was to place it all under ASD but my goodness there is ASD level 1 2 3 and 4.

Noras · 11/05/2024 10:00

SensationalSusie · 11/05/2024 09:17

@Noras

I find a lot of your post somewhat ludicrous.

Just because someone has ‘milder’ asd/aspergers does not mean they do not have substantial difficulty. This is precisely why high and low functioning labels/aspergers have been done away with and all are now under the asd umbrella.

Being able to have a romantic relationship does not indicate level of disability, particularly since you find a lot of those with asd will seek out and have relationships with other asd people (lower social demand).

Your son has a diagnosis and no doubt has had long term support, no? OP’s hasn’t, due to his refusal to get diagnosed and parents/school not recognising it and pursuing diagnosis and support earlier in life. Now they have a total mess to deal with.

Nobody has suggested anything based on examples. OP has stated there is likelihood of underlying ASD/ADHD which is why she gives him a by ball for his behaviour.

Instead of giving us war and peace of how your son is impacted, you could accept that autism is a spectrum and people can be impacted differently - just because your son has xyz impairments does not mean that everyone else with autism conforms.

Case in point - I have had multiple romantic relationships since 12/13 and am married - shock/horror I am autistic!! I also have several third level qualifications…. It had an enormous impact on my life… but I wasn’t diagnosed until after my children. It was obvious there were issues but it was always attributed to something else and thus was missed… it happens.

I’m prepared to accept at face value from OP that if she deems there may be underlying issues they are likely there. I don’t need her son’s life history to validate that, because if she is coping with an undiagnosed, unsupported adult autistic in her house she is likely exhausted enough.

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StripeyDeckchair · 11/05/2024 10:14

Wow, well we all know why his girlfriend ended the relationship.

You're not helping by enabling him to do nothing; he washes up badly, so you tell him not to bother & you do it. NO. He does it again, & again, & again until he can do it properly. He breaks something - he pays for the cost of the repair or replacement. Etc

He needs to pay rent and you need to be firm on ground rules.
I'd be looking for a move out date - he can't live with you for ever.
He also needs to work out how he's going to live as an apprentice.

Ultimately you brought him up and made him like this you & your husband need to stand together & sort it out.

Noras · 11/05/2024 10:39

Put simply why does he not wash his hands - what is stopping him. ASD doe not explain that or motor unless he is so disabled with jt and there would be lots of other issues very obvious.

maybe he needs to use swagefa not soap

andweallsingalong · 11/05/2024 11:11

I'd accept he is neuro diverse and change the way you handle things one step at a time. He really needed this support as a child or he will never manage independently. Tons of patience and don't do things for him.

Start with the washing up. He washes and you or DH dries. If it's dirty cheerfully pass it back. This one needs another scrub son.

If he's heavy handed supervise the washing machine. Remind him to be gentle. Go halves in a stronger door with an easier to use handle that he can't break. Or maybe go for a self close hinge. Neurodiverse people often can't contextualise so need more support to relearn tasks and will repeat the same behaviour without the ability to think about what went wrong last time or what did mum and dad say. He can still be taught at 25 but you do need to put in the hard work rather than give up on him.