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To think that everything Fiona Harvey said in her Piers Morgan interview was a lie? [Edit by MNHQ]

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Eshmee · 09/05/2024 21:20

Having watched her interview this evening, everything about her screamed 'liar'. Her language, her demeanor, her body language. I just wonder what other think?

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MoominPyjamas · 10/05/2024 05:43

I would feel uncomfortable watching this. She is mentally unwell, most likely a delusional disorder which, as PP said is very hard to treat. It's like trying to persuade conspiracy theorists that we did get to the moon, you can show them evidence but they will always have an explanation. Your mind can play tricks on you.
The interesting part of the show for me was the way that she was the victim of his inability to accept his earlier trauma, the 'real' trauma of being drugged and raped. It's very telling that she could be vilified when she had absolutely no power over him for most of the episodes. I'm not defending her, but as he acknowledges, he could have gone to the police earlier. It was partially a distraction for him so that he didn't have to reflect and grieve for who he was before he was abused.
I worked with someone who made several very serious allegations about me in the context of mental illness. I went straight to the manager who looked into it it in a caring way. If I had sat on it for months, it would have been ten times more complicated to raise if things if things had escalated. Mental illness effects so many people, we owe it to society to look after people when they're unwell, not exploit them. The real villain is hiding in plain sight somewhere out there, still predatory, allowed to continue making vast amounts of money despite being an actual rapist.

EthnoBotanist · 10/05/2024 05:45

EarringsandLipstick · 09/05/2024 21:33

Report it to MNHQ, they'll change it for you.

It’s not Harvery either, it’s Harvey

parttimeweddingplanner · 10/05/2024 06:01

Just watched a bit of it. Fucking hell, Piers Morgan is scum. I mean, I guess I knew this already but his handling of an obviously unstable woman is despicable. Totally unethical.

Letsgotitans · 10/05/2024 06:05

JellyBeanFactory · 09/05/2024 21:56

I can't understand why, if as Piers Morgan said, records are publicly available, he did not have them in front of him and challenge her with actual evidence. His research team will have the wherewithal / the contacts / a way-in everywhere - so surely he could have produced a copy of a court order or details of her previous stalking accusations stories or her academic history. He did not produce any such evidence. It was all hearsay, on both parts.

It was such an awkward interview. I didn't believe much of what she said and I fear for PM that he may become an obsession now.

Yes I agree, why didn't he have the proof ready?

The way she laughed and said about how she was flattered he thought she was like the actress playing her and how she knew exactly how old he is 😳

lemonmeringueno3 · 10/05/2024 06:06

There is a lot of speculation about why Piers didn't confront her with evidence but I think the purpose of this interview was to give her enough rope to hang herself..

He repeated questions and clarified answers so that she can't deny those things when the evidence inevitably comes to light.

I don't think it would have been a good look to confront her with evidence and watch her unravel or leave. I'm sure assurances will have been made to get her to agree to the interview.

This way, the interview is an opportunity to tell her story rather than a 'ta dah' of evidence to humiliate an ill woman.

She is clearly a dangerous woman, a fantasist who has damaged several lives. I don't think abusers should be given airtime, and I don't think a male stalker would have been offered the airtime, but I won't lose sleep over her exploitation I'm afraid.

Blue83 · 10/05/2024 06:16

Absolutely agree, how can she go on piers Morgan and not bring evidence to back her story, and I think piers went very easy on her been careful which isn’t his normal way of interviewing, he usually dives right in but saying that her answers kept changing, and why would anyone have email, phone and twitter about someone in her words ‘don’t know met a few times, and she don’t know him’ all to weird all of it, stalking is dangerous and shouldn’t be a joke

Motnight · 10/05/2024 06:22

parttimeweddingplanner · 10/05/2024 06:01

Just watched a bit of it. Fucking hell, Piers Morgan is scum. I mean, I guess I knew this already but his handling of an obviously unstable woman is despicable. Totally unethical.

Really? I don't like PM at all but thought that for this interview he was polite, and gave her lots of air time regarding her responses. Of course it was all for the sake of getting her to speak as much as possible so that viewers could make up their own minds.

tennistimetomorrow · 10/05/2024 06:29

CranfordScones · 09/05/2024 22:19

I didn't watch the programme or the Nexflix series.

From my reading, everything strongly points to her needing help. It seems cruel and exploitative to interview her or speculate on her 'complicated' worldview.

Sadly she is probably beyond help unless she receives intensive long term therapy. In my experience people with this type of personalty disorder are to be avoided.

tennistimetomorrow · 10/05/2024 06:29

at all costs.

lemonmeringueno3 · 10/05/2024 06:37

If she barely knows Gadd, has only met him 5-6 times, didn't send him all those emails and letters, wasn't obsessed with him, never went to his shows - why does she think it's about her? Why are her 'friends' telling her it's about her? It must be about someone else surely.

I mean, come on. Her grandiose personality meant she thought this interview would vindicate her and launch her into a tv career or something. Instead, she accidentally gave full credence to Gadd's story.

SoreFeets · 10/05/2024 06:38

The whole thing is very interesting … possibly the most interesting part is how everyone is obsessed with Martha but nobody gives a shit about the male rapist.

Fiona is clearly very unwell, she was lying and tripping herself up from the start of the interview. I’ve never seen anything like it and part of me does wonder if it’s a social experiment.

  1. how quickly can armchair detectives identify a person
  2. how will the public react to a female on male stalker
  3. How different will the attitude me towards a female stalker vs a male rapist
Althenameshavegone · 10/05/2024 06:40

Wheeling out Fiona is just a dead cat distraction for the rapist tv producer surely? this is so unethical and just highlights that anyone with money / power is rarely held to account.

January2015 · 10/05/2024 07:00

Interesting points for me, from watching the Piers Morgan interview:

I think that reason why Fiona mentioned several times about only finding out about things via BBC breaking news’ was to try to convince people that she hadn’t watched the Netflix Baby Reindeer series and was trying to justify how she new all of the details of the show. As well as being told all of the details by her ‘friends’ rather than just admitting she had watched it.

The fact that she repeated several times ‘even if it were true that it had sent the 41000 emails’, tells me that she knows that she sent them.

Re- the 350 hours worth of voicemails: the fact that she said that Richard Gadd may have ‘recorded’ her talking in the pub to ‘make them’ … whilst also saying that she only met him 2-3 times over a period of 3 months. That’s a lot of talking to get 350 hours worth of fake voicemails!

I think that she is NC with her mum: saying she hadn’t spoken to her about all of this, but knew she was ‘angry’ about it.

How she focussed on the actresses ‘accent’ and how she didn’t sound Scottish. The fact that she was horrified and felt like it wasn’t a very ‘flattering’ depiction of herself.

How did she relate any of the Edinburgh stage show to herself if it doesn’t relate to her or anything that the show/ series portrays?

Begsthequestion · 10/05/2024 07:02

Wow. I've not watched it but it sounds very exploitative. I didn't think Morgan could sink lower in my estimation, and yet he always manages it. What a talented man.

Knockknockknockety · 10/05/2024 07:04

Harvey and Gadd are both ill, vulnerable people IMO. I believe at points they both preyed on one another. I believe Piers Morgan, the stage show, the TV shows, the witch hunt all feed into a need for Gadd and this is why he encourages behaviour others would step away from.

Knockknockknockety · 10/05/2024 07:12

It's likely also why he holds off on information about his rapist. He will, once interest in Harvey dies off.

heathspeedwell · 10/05/2024 07:14

Gadd has already said lots of stuff in interviews which shows that you are way off the mark OP.

It's really sad to see how many women on here want to hound another woman who is clearly mentally ill.

Gadd misleadingly claimed the show was '100% emotionally true' and lots of gullible people took that to mean it's all true. but Gadd has confirmed in interviews that Martha never went to court and that he didn't meet Teri until long after he stopped seeing Martha.

The whole scene where Martha beats Teri up is pure fiction.

This absolutely raises questions about the morality of Netflix and Gadd blurring the boundaries between truth and fiction so much when there are real, vulnerable people at the centre of it, and a woman is now getting death threats.

Gadd has already been investigated by Netflix because a much younger transwoman claimed he used the lure of fame to get 'friendly'. Other people have alleged he did this with a few transwoman. There is clearly a lot more to come out.

AmusedMaker · 10/05/2024 07:18

I’m sure they both have their problems - but if I had to spend a weekend away with one of them I’d choose Richard Gadd.

I’m reminded of the film ‘Misery’ ( I’m your number one fan ) with this whole thing.

Itsneverme · 10/05/2024 07:21

I actually know someone, who has stalked people and had her children took off her because off all her lies, she was on a course to be a social worker and got kicked off her final year of that due to it all coming out! And Fiona reminds me so much of this women whom I unfortunately encountered. I honestly think they believe their own lies. And I think piers went easy on her.

soupfiend · 10/05/2024 07:26

Im amazed how sympathetic people are for this person who is a dangerous abuser.

Notjustabrunette · 10/05/2024 07:27

STIAWH · 09/05/2024 21:50

I think PM was trying to get her to say whether she got a 2:1 or a 2:2 or whatever. She kept insisting she got an ordinary degree which is a pass but lower than a third. It doesn't have any other classification.

I think, but could be wrong an ordinary degree is when you don’t submit a dissertation. This happened to a friend from uni.

Cattyisbatty · 10/05/2024 07:27

So many levels of wrong in Piers interviewing her. I wouldn’t watch it, but I watched BR (before I knew Martha had been tracked down) and this is opening up a massive can of worms
She shouldn’t be given publicity like this , but it’s Piers who hasn’t got a moral bone in his body,

Cattyisbatty · 10/05/2024 07:28

soupfiend · 10/05/2024 07:26

Im amazed how sympathetic people are for this person who is a dangerous abuser.

Exactly. If it was a man there wouldn’t be this level of sympathy.

MoominPyjamas · 10/05/2024 07:32

@Cattyisbatty because stalking is ultimately about power, and women will always have less power. That's why female stalkers are motivated by different things. They want relationships. They want connection. Male stalkers are motivated by wanting to control and own. They often are deeply misogynistic. It's a completely different type of crime. Essentially, us not having a penis matters.

ShortFatHouseElf · 10/05/2024 07:33

BustyMcgoober · 09/05/2024 21:44

I’m watching it now. It’s really uncomfortable. He’s baiting her and she’s falling over all her lies.

I’ve met people like her before.

Her repeated mentions of BBC Breaking News is quite funny though.

Is it possible she’s saying “Breaking THE News”? An award-winning comedy show from bbc Scotland.

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