Can't help thinking King Charles is selfish

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Standing back, looking at the Harry situation, I can't help thinking that Charles is the root of all the family toxicity.

He had an affair while married to Diana, which led to their divorce and much unhappiness on her side. After her early death, his children were obviously in a lot of pain. The remote parenting style of the RF probably did little to soften this.
He's managed to marry his affair partner and now he's cutting off one of his sons.
Harry just looks like a really hurt person acting out to me. In most families, they would just be tolerated and forgiven.
I think the RF look very cold.

I actually think the front of Fergie’s wasn’t too bad and yes very of it’s time. But the arse bow is something the fashion world should be very ashamed of 😂

Actually I have a soft spot for Grace Kelly’s dress - a bride could wear that today and it would be modern and relevant.

im gonna sound like a Mary Whitehouse but I really do think wedding dresses look nicer when they’re modest

possibly because he was forced to walk behind his mothers coffin while he was a very young child just to satisfy the avaricious needs of the U.K. media and populace. The same group of peooñ who vilified Diana in the weeks before her death.

William and Harry were made to walk behind their mother's coffin because there were worries the public might throw things at the Royal Family. They were very unpopular at the time. They knew the public would not do this if William and Harry were there.

I bet irl everyone holds you in high regard and would be appalled that you would even think such things let alone write about them on social media.

Charles and Diana had a failed marriage that unfortunately played out in public. They both cheated and he loved another woman.

I would think it more likely that having your life on view while you are grieving, while you are growing up, making mistakes. Getting vilified in the press any time you screw up would have had an impact on Harry and his choices.

Then there's the fact that the brand comes above all else.

Personally I can't see he did anything wrong. He didn't want to be a working royal. He left and now they have their own life in America. He's still part of the family just not a working one.

Lots of people leave family businesses, lots of people emigrate.

What is a yacht girl? It sounds like some sort of misogynistic term?

Or is it a California thing?

To answer that question, please have a read of the article.

https://www.stylist.co.uk/long-reads/yachting-hollywood-trafficking/627259#

You don't know this. Don't present conjecture as fact.

You do not know all the circumstamces of why Charles did not have time to meet with Harry. I understand that Harry imposed quite a few conditions upon their meeting. We currently only have what has been released by Harry.
For example, I heard that he wanted to meet with Charles alone, but from past experience, he could afterwards twist what Charles had said. We know it would all be in the newspapers the following day.
Secondly, Charles had to cancel quite a few engagements while he was undergoing cancer treatment. He is now trying to meet his obligations, and had a long arranged Garden Party on the day of the Invictus Church service.
You mention Charles' affaire when married, but fail to mention Diana's affaires.
There could also have been a certain amount of parental alienation by Diana when alive, tho if you read the Housekeepers account, it would seem that Diana often favoured William and not Harry herself.
We have no idea whether he has 'cut off' Harry, as we have no idea whether there are conversations by telephone, etc. All we know is what Harry released to the press, in such a way as to make Charles look bad.
Harry had every right to take a step back from the RF, but the manner by which he did so, but the Oprah Interview, The Netflix series, the Book, plus many interviews accompanying the book release, I would be very wary of meeting up with him.

@IsoldeWagner "You don't know this. Don't present conjecture as fact."

Oh, the irony!

Actually, the RF were extraordinarily unpopular at the time of Diana's death. People who weren't around then can have no idea of the strength of public feeling. It was a terrifying episode of mass hysteria.

I think Prince Charles has made a mistake. To think he can't find an hour with his son, is very very sad and IMHO shows exactly what Harry was talking about with regards to his experiences as a child and member of the royal family. There's a coldness there that does so much damage.

Absolutely. We cannot afford to fund another expensive state funeral and another ridiculous coronation, and I don't think he's got long left

If we can't fund health education, decent care for the elderly or keeping disabled people and carers out of poverty we can't fund them.

@anon4net we have no idea if PC did offer to meet H & H refused? The last meeting was very brief due to H I believe. I wouldn’t be at all surprised it PC did clear some time in his diary, we don’t know, he’d not tell us.

Do you think if the monarchy were abolished tomorrow, money would be found for these things? Of course not. It's like Brexit and privatisation of utilities. It doesn't get shared out, the resources just get snapped up by a tiny minority who profit massively.

@Lesina
"possibly because he was forced to walk behind his mothers coffin while he was a very young child just to satisfy the avaricious needs of the U.K. media and populace."
But if only William had walked behind the coffin, you can imagine what Harry would be saying now,
"I wasn't allowed to walk behind the coffin, etc"
I think one has to accept, that the RF and their advisors, and the Spencer family were doing what they thought was right at the time. It was nearly 30 years ago, now.
Actually, I always understood at the time, that it was William who expressed dismay, prompting P.Philip to offer to walk behind as well. Seem to remember this was reported in newspapers.
Maybe in future, no one should walk behind coffins.
Maybe it would have been better if Diana's funeral had been totally private?
But we cannot change the past. All we can do is to learn from this and maybe do things differently next time.

Cmon now. It doesn’t take much critical thinking to understand Charles has always seen Harry when Harry wished, inc when he just announced his cancer and delaying heading to balmoral to see him. So if Charles has said no this time, then there will be a very good reason behind it, that none of them are saying,and he won’t have done it lightly. Just because Harry said it was as he was too busy doesn’t mean that’s the truth, in fact it’s overwhelmingly likely it’s a lie and Harry doesn’t wish to reveal the real reason as it would make him look bad.

Yeah poor Charles right?!

WTAF? 🙄

The King doesn’t intervene now when we’ve got starving children, freezing pensioners, and disabled people being left on the scrap heap.

You’re displaying a profound misunderstanding of the role of the monarch.

What would the real reason be? That he just decided not to talk to him again?

Harry had a difficult childhood. He has tried to talk openly about it from his own perspective. He has tried open up issues within the "system" of the the monarchy that have caused ill effects on every single member, his father included - all in the hope that this faulty system might be addressed and change can happen. He has been told to shut up and put up, that they survived it and so will he in the long term. So nothing changes and the whole cycle is repeated ad infinitum. His mother tried too and look where it got her. If he stays away he might just be safe ...

No, he didn't talk to Oprah, on tv and magazines, in his autobiography in order to address changes.
That is because all of these things were done to make money and keep them in the headlines, so there was no debate or nuance, just unsubstantiated accusations and somewhat wild claims.
This is not a man discussing institutional problems. This is a man invading family privacy and creating sensational stories for money.

I haven’t read Spare but does Harry say his Dad came in in the small hours to break the news?

I read at the time in the papers a quote from a friend which I’ve always believed - which is that amid their shock, there was a tense moment where they crept in to William’s room to remove his clock radio (which we all had in the day) to make sure he didn’t wake up in the night and hear the news that way. Which doesn’t square with that at all.

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