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To think most women on here hate men

739 replies

Tanyahawkes · 07/05/2024 18:45

Sorry for the rant but I’m noticing a pattern on mn, any post involving a man and a disagreement results in multiple calls of he’s a narcissist, he’s abusing, he’s controlling, leave the bastard!

I’ll admit that a list of posts do involve behaviour that is not nice from dh and dp. So many posts also can be interpreted in many ways too, I just feel like a large number of women jump to the worst conclusion first about a strangers partner, having only one side of a story told in a short version.

for anyone misunderstanding me, if a post says the partner is hurting physically, calling names, cheating, putting the op down, then yes I agree, ltb (so long as the post is true) it’s when a post says “great relationship, today partner upset me and we couldn’t see eye to eye” and everyone calls the poor guy a narcissist etc

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Wooloohooloo · 07/05/2024 21:49

I don't hate them but I do think women are better than men. I have a son who I love more than life itself, my dad was an amazing man, I have male colleagues/friends etc who I respect but women are better.

SpeedyDrama · 07/05/2024 21:58

Tanyahawkes · 07/05/2024 21:36

I must in fact be a man then

Well it’s usually a male mindset that women weaponise sex as well so you’ve not helped your case.

Tanyahawkes · 07/05/2024 22:06

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🤣 no I’m actually a woman

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unsync · 07/05/2024 22:07

ToveJanssonsWife · 07/05/2024 18:56

If posters are happy in their relationships they wouldn’t need to post here as much.

I’m happy to admit that I’d rather avoid most men, as once my eyes opened to the sexism and misogyny displayed by most men, even if it’s subtle, but hard to unsee.

Women are conditioned from a very young age to make way for boys then men, to put up with shit behaviour, to expect less from men as friends, partners, fathers. It’s a tale as old as time.

Many women are still comfortably propping that up and not seeing a problem with everyday sexism, for some women there’s an uncomfortable process of scales falling away from the eyes and you’ll never see men in the same way again.

This.

If you have experienced abuse, you can often see patterns. It is also not uncommon for a thread to start out one way and then take a nose dive as the OP reveals more detail. It's not that I hate men, more that I am extremely wary of them and doubt their motivation.

DinaofCloud9 · 07/05/2024 22:07

Tanyahawkes · 07/05/2024 21:05

Honestly at a loss really as to what to say here, I’m obviously fighting a losing battle to get my point understood (I don’t mean agreed with, just listened to, VALIDATED)

I mean tbh if women are so much better than men, as is the impression I get. My opinion, which I believe the vibe is, women are entitled to, and I am a women, so if women are better than men, then why are we not superior enough to rise above their misogyny, why do so many stoop to the same level in revenge

Yea I hardly think women calling out bad behaviour is stooping to men's level.

Men threaten women with rape or murder frequently on social media yet you think women saying "you don't have to stay in your marriage if you aren't happy" is stooping to that level.

You can think that if you like. I can think you're chatting shit.

Tanyahawkes · 07/05/2024 22:15

NonPlayerCharacter · 07/05/2024 21:33

You're terrified of a woman-centred parenting/lifestyle website and find it a threat to men's societal equality, and you think you're well hard? Tanya?

Wow. You obviously have a phd in psychology clearly, I mean you are sure you have me well and truly pegged. Funny how I’m not actually calling any other posters on here stupid, neither am I saying anyone thinks they are “well hard” yet the snide comments keep coming my way from you, yet according to a lot of people on this particular post, women love to support each other on here. Can people not have a difference of opinion in a healthy way, I have my views, I posted them, some people who claim to hate abuse seem to think it’s ok to be abusive to get their point across, you do you, I’ll do me, we don’t need to be bitches to each other though do we?

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Catsmere · 07/05/2024 22:15

ToveJanssonsWife · 07/05/2024 18:56

If posters are happy in their relationships they wouldn’t need to post here as much.

I’m happy to admit that I’d rather avoid most men, as once my eyes opened to the sexism and misogyny displayed by most men, even if it’s subtle, but hard to unsee.

Women are conditioned from a very young age to make way for boys then men, to put up with shit behaviour, to expect less from men as friends, partners, fathers. It’s a tale as old as time.

Many women are still comfortably propping that up and not seeing a problem with everyday sexism, for some women there’s an uncomfortable process of scales falling away from the eyes and you’ll never see men in the same way again.

Yes, it's pattern recognition.

OP, have you also noticed just how many posts are "but he's a wonderful husband/father" while describing s man who is neither? Or the number of NAMALT comments?

When you look at the behaviour of men as a class, it's astonishing more women don't "hate" them. But that's socialisation for you.

Tanyahawkes · 07/05/2024 22:20

Catsmere · 07/05/2024 22:15

Yes, it's pattern recognition.

OP, have you also noticed just how many posts are "but he's a wonderful husband/father" while describing s man who is neither? Or the number of NAMALT comments?

When you look at the behaviour of men as a class, it's astonishing more women don't "hate" them. But that's socialisation for you.

Can you please explain what namalt stands for, I cannot figure that one out.
as for people stating partner is wonderful and then backtracking later to admit abusive behaviour, yes of course I’ve seen that, if I check the post I linked and there is new information that’s clear abuse or even evidence of a pattern then I’ll hold my hands up and say I was so wrong about that post.

im not saying I’m right and everyone who says different is wrong, its in aibu to get a wider opinion, and whilst I appreciate everyone’s views, it seems very few appreciate mine being different, even going as far as being rude and verging on abusive to me, a fellow woman, for having a different view, if I was a man saying any woman was wrong for her opinion I would be called a cunt

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SchoolQuestionnaire · 07/05/2024 22:20

I have a number of good men in my life and I certainly don’t hate all men but I have come to accept that a worrying number of ‘nice’ men aren’t actually very nice at all.

I’ve seen a ‘nice’ man criticise his wife for making him the same sandwich two days in a row. The same wife who also works ft. I’ve seen a number of ‘nice’ men over the years circling intoxicated women just waiting for an opportunity to take advantage. I’ve was publicly and openly groped and witnessed a number of ‘nice’ men physically turn away so they didn’t have to confront what they know happened, and then when a lone woman spoke up to support me they maintained that we must have misread the act that they all saw with their own eyes.

I often wonder why so many women are desperate to defend men who wouldn’t piss on them if they were on fire.

Tanyahawkes · 07/05/2024 22:24

DinaofCloud9 · 07/05/2024 22:07

Yea I hardly think women calling out bad behaviour is stooping to men's level.

Men threaten women with rape or murder frequently on social media yet you think women saying "you don't have to stay in your marriage if you aren't happy" is stooping to that level.

You can think that if you like. I can think you're chatting shit.

Clearly you are missing my point along with most others, you aren’t reading and processing what I’m saying for how it’s meant, all people are seeing is “love men, forgive all sins” no not at all, call out all actual abuse, but do we have to be so quick to shout abuse when you don’t know for sure that it is

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dragonscannotswim · 07/05/2024 22:25

PossiblyNow · 07/05/2024 18:47

Frankly, the world would be a better place if the male partners of pretty much every poster on the Relationships board were instantly pulverised.

👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼

taleasoldashoney · 07/05/2024 22:30

Tanyahawkes · 07/05/2024 22:24

Clearly you are missing my point along with most others, you aren’t reading and processing what I’m saying for how it’s meant, all people are seeing is “love men, forgive all sins” no not at all, call out all actual abuse, but do we have to be so quick to shout abuse when you don’t know for sure that it is

So to be clear:

A poster calling you stupid and asking you if you are hard = verging on abusive and a bitch

A man shouting and screaming at his wife for hours, threatening to leave but not actually going and giving his wife the silent treatment = not abusive

So basically women being a bit mean are abusive but men actually shouting and screaming and using a tactic which is actually classed as abusive isnt abusive?

localnotail · 07/05/2024 22:30

Gosh, "hate men", because women show solidarity with other females? And believe me, many, many more women would LTB for whatever reason if they had money and support to do so, just like many men do when they feel their family situation is too taxing.

CoatRack · 07/05/2024 22:30

strangewomenlyinginponds · 07/05/2024 20:46

Literally nobody says all men are bad.

Men are responsible for 95+% of all violent crime. Not all men are rapists but 100 percent of rapists are men.

It would be more useful for you to consider your own biases than keep lecturing women, and telling them to ignore relevant life experiences and their own intuition so they don't offend the manosphere, as well as generally tone policing them.

Given that all women have had experiences of fear, violence and sexual abuse by men, whether just comments or actual assault, many from childhood onwards, and given that every single woman changes her behaviours when travelling, in public and online to try to remain safe from men, the question is not why are most women inclined to assume the worst of men, the question is how most of us still manage to love men, live with them and remain open to hope that they'll do the right thing.

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100% of rapes are committed by men because the crime of rape requires a penis.
It is legally impossible for a woman to 'rape' somebody in the UK, even if she forces them to have sex while inebriated or impaired.

PorpoiseWithPurpose · 07/05/2024 22:31

Tanyahawkes · 07/05/2024 21:23

It’s funny how 30% say not being unreasonable, but the resounding cry mostly is “females, speak up, have your opinion, so long as it matches 70% of mumsnet

Interesting. “Females”.

taleasoldashoney · 07/05/2024 22:33

PorpoiseWithPurpose · 07/05/2024 22:31

Interesting. “Females”.

Also practically abusive bitches...

Like we haven't heard that before

Along with "equality has gone to far"...🤔

PorpoiseWithPurpose · 07/05/2024 22:37

taleasoldashoney · 07/05/2024 22:33

Also practically abusive bitches...

Like we haven't heard that before

Along with "equality has gone to far"...🤔

Don’t forget her partner’s “crazy ex withholding sex”

I think we can safely cry, BINGO!

Tanyahawkes · 07/05/2024 22:47

PorpoiseWithPurpose · 07/05/2024 22:31

Interesting. “Females”.

Maybe I could have said “women” but realistically I’ve had god knows how many people jump on me a female, using the word females, I don’t see that word as derogatory, it’s not an insult, it’s not a slang word that’s insulting. If this is such a big deal and triggers so many women I’ll say I’m sorry if I have offended anyone by the use of the word, I did not intend any offence at all

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PossiblyNow · 07/05/2024 22:54

Tanyahawkes · 07/05/2024 22:47

Maybe I could have said “women” but realistically I’ve had god knows how many people jump on me a female, using the word females, I don’t see that word as derogatory, it’s not an insult, it’s not a slang word that’s insulting. If this is such a big deal and triggers so many women I’ll say I’m sorry if I have offended anyone by the use of the word, I did not intend any offence at all

You have a tin ear for tone and a poor knowledge of the connotation field of ‘females’ used as a noun, if so. But it’s hardly surprising, given the content of your posts.

BobsVegBurgers · 07/05/2024 22:55

No, we just call them out on their shit.

Catsmere · 07/05/2024 22:56

NAMALT meant Not All Men Are Like That. It's practically a trope that someone will jump in to say that when the obvious statistics about male violence, or women having learned to be wary of men, is mentioned. Similar to Not My Nigel, though I haven't seen that one here - Nigel in this case standing for NIcest Guy that Ever Lived, meaning the speaker's husband/boyfriend/son.

Really, what's the point of your thread? You haven't provided any examples, you've admitted posts saying LTB have a point, and you've been through shit from abusive men. Why does it bother you that women here can have a poor opinion of men as a class? What does it matter if we do? As PP said, it's not like women "hating" men means we're out raping and murdering them, unlike men who hate women. Men are the single greatest threat to women's lives and safety.

BTW there has never been anything remotely like equality (or rather, equity, or better yet liberation) for women in recorded history, and right now we're in the middle of a huge pushback against what gains we made in the last half century or so.

BobsVegBurgers · 07/05/2024 22:58

Tanyahawkes · 07/05/2024 22:47

Maybe I could have said “women” but realistically I’ve had god knows how many people jump on me a female, using the word females, I don’t see that word as derogatory, it’s not an insult, it’s not a slang word that’s insulting. If this is such a big deal and triggers so many women I’ll say I’m sorry if I have offended anyone by the use of the word, I did not intend any offence at all

Interesting how those who use "females" rarely refer to men as "males."

Tanyahawkes · 07/05/2024 22:59

PorpoiseWithPurpose · 07/05/2024 22:37

Don’t forget her partner’s “crazy ex withholding sex”

I think we can safely cry, BINGO!

Oh no not bingo, nobody on this post has told another poster to ltb, honestly, solidarity in this website is actually on point, you all found a way to belittle a stranger online for their view, and then claim not to be being abusive, I believe that is called gaslighting, is that not the word of the month, no doubt I’m a walking red flag 🚩 too, maybe I’m the one being abusive, I mean we gotta twist it all like an abusive bloke.

get real, I had an opinion, I articulated that I actually do not know for sure the poster I was referring to is not in an abusive relationship, I’ve also articulated that all abusers are scumbags, I’ve shared snippets of abuse, it’s been twisted around and made out to be false, that’s victim blaming aswell, but guess what, I’m going to keep my belief that maybe some of you are just reacting in a human way from own experiences, maybe some of you are not as rude as you seem overall. Maybe people can get along even with a difference of opinion without resorting to being nasty to each other

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Tanyahawkes · 07/05/2024 23:00

BobsVegBurgers · 07/05/2024 22:58

Interesting how those who use "females" rarely refer to men as "males."

Men, males, blokes, there are lots of words I use regarding the opposite sex, again I see no wrong but if this offensive I apologise again

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Catsmere · 07/05/2024 23:01

Tanyahawkes · 07/05/2024 22:47

Maybe I could have said “women” but realistically I’ve had god knows how many people jump on me a female, using the word females, I don’t see that word as derogatory, it’s not an insult, it’s not a slang word that’s insulting. If this is such a big deal and triggers so many women I’ll say I’m sorry if I have offended anyone by the use of the word, I did not intend any offence at all

Have you any idea how long it's been "men" and "females"? It goes back centuries and was just one small part of men expressing their utter disdain for our sex.