To think most women on here hate men

[Tanyahawkes]

Sorry for the rant but I’m noticing a pattern on mn, any post involving a man and a disagreement results in multiple calls of he’s a narcissist, he’s abusing, he’s controlling, leave the bastard!

I’ll admit that a list of posts do involve behaviour that is not nice from dh and dp. So many posts also can be interpreted in many ways too, I just feel like a large number of women jump to the worst conclusion first about a strangers partner, having only one side of a story told in a short version.

for anyone misunderstanding me, if a post says the partner is hurting physically, calling names, cheating, putting the op down, then yes I agree, ltb (so long as the post is true) it’s when a post says “great relationship, today partner upset me and we couldn’t see eye to eye” and everyone calls the poor guy a narcissist etc

No but when someone tries to point out a reasonably annoying thing women do they are called misogynistic

That’s what I was referring to

This is your opinion and of course a lot of other people, however I haven’t populated that vote of over 150 people voted they agree with my opinion, we all have opinions and we are all entitled to have our own opinion without being told it is wrong

But the thing they’re trying to call a reasonably annoying thing that women do is calling out crappy male behaviour, which is a misogynistic thing to do. I mean call a spade a spade…

Women calling out male behaviour is not the problem. The male behaviour is the issue. Maybe if this was understood and more men supported this rather than get wasps up their arses about it then us pesky men haters wouldn’t have to point it out with such alarming regularity.

Why do you think you are entitled not to be told that your opinion is wrong?

we are all entitled to have our own opinion without being told it is wrong

Yeah, no.

No, we're not. We are entitled to our opinion (although an unsubstantiated opinion is pretty worthless and others will judge accordingly).

We are not entitled not to be told we're wrong. If you put your opinions out in the world for public viewing then you immediately open yourself up to public disagreement.

Are you aware of how discussion forums work?

Surely you do realise your own opinions are not fact, I mean, come on! Everybody is entitled to an opinion of their own, this is again, my opinion, your OPINION is different. The thing is, I respect your right to your opinion, I’m even willing to discuss this nicely, yet you are still just proudly stating that I’m not entitled to my own opinion

Are you aware of how you just said that everyone is entitled to an opinion, yet you also state that we are not entitled to be told we are wrong. Yet how many people on here have told me my opinion is wrong? I say this is my opinion, so many people tell me my opinion is worthless, wrong, I’m stupid, I’m a man. This behaviour is wrong, your opinion is not, my opinion is not, they just differ. And yes it’s perfectly acceptable to explain why your opinion is right, the same as it’s acceptable for me to do the same, what’s not acceptable is grown adults name calling, belittling others views and then saying “you are not entitled to give your opinion on a public forum, it is the wrong opinion”

Absolutely nobody has said that you aren't entitled to an opinion. But if an opinion is not fact, why should people not be allowed to say that it is wrong?

But once someone's justification of their opinion has been reduced to "well I'm allowed to say it", it's game, set and match, really.

So by your own account you have not told me my opinion is wrong at all?

Oh god yes 🤣
Someone will post something about their partner being a bit snappy or something and the next ten posts are advice to "get their ducks in a row" "start stashing money away" "access free legal advice" and all sorts of dramatics.

Where on earth have you got that from? Of course I've told you your opinion is wrong. You think I agree with the stuff you've been saying?

you also state that we are not entitled to be told we are wrong

What I in fact stated was

We are not entitled not to be told we're wrong.

Kinell. It's like breaking rocks.

'I know you think you understand what you thought I said but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant'.

You're having a giraffe, OP. I'm now convinced of it. This would be endlessly entertaining, only you're not really very good at it.

The OP now appears to be trying to tell people what they have said, which is often in direct contradiction to what the posters have actually said, or is just made up on the spot, in order to pain themselves as a victim.

Almost like a bit of DARVO is going on....

Another jab at my intelligence, this is really showing character, how people really feel they are entitled to speak to others. Insults are not a healthy discussion are they?

I have to agree. It's not about horrible women and wonderful men any more. It's not even about The Right To An Opinion (and I'm sure we all know what they say about those). It's just...stuff that doesn't make sense.

You literally twisted that posters words to try to make out they said the opposite of what they actually said

Your discussion is not healthy and you are now showing many of the traits that abusive people actually show, which makes it a lot clearer as to why you don't like it when posters recognise abusive relationships so quickly on MN threads.

So what a lot of posters in here are making plain is, ladies need to only stick up for themselves against men. Not against other women online, because online women on women crap directed at each other is fair game, so long as it’s in solidarity against worthless opinions of stupid people. In your opinion of course. Yet Mumsnet clearly didn’t agree with a fair few of your posts towards me as they deleted them

For heaven's sake, READ the messages you are responding to.

Your commentary about your intelligence is your own particular interpretation. It certainly doesn't respond to anything I've actually said. You're making another straw man against an argument which was never advanced (at least by me) in your direction in the first place.

I'll give you a helpful clue. I'll highlight again - directly C&Pd from my post - the comment of mine you take such issue with. We are not entitled not to be told we're wrong. The helpful clue is the second instance of the word 'not'.

Other readers can see the post you're responding to, you know? I haven't insulted you in the slightest. You're being disingenuous, as I believe you're aware. But if this is the way you wilfully misread and misrepresent others' posts, it's no wonder you've made such a hash of interpreting the content of the site overall, or of viewing this terrible 'misandry' you speak of in its accurate context.

You're mildly unintentionally funny - but becoming quite hard work.

In my opinion, I was told that this thread would be entertaining, except I’m not very good at it, so in what way did the poster say the opposite of how I took it? Maybe @NonPlayerCharacter eould like to elaborate on what they meant by that, because if it’s not how it looks to me, then what was that? Or maybe when she quoted my “I’m not stupid” in a previous comment and said “I’ll leave it at that” or wording similar, was I wrong to believe that what was meant was “erm, well I actually think you are, but I need to seem nicer, because Mumsnet might agree that’s abuse”

You weren't responding to @NonPlayerCharacter in that post, so how could they possibly elaborate on what was meant by another poster?

If I have misunderstood that comment then I hold my hand up to that one, in the only defence I have for that is that this is the internet, typos so so often exist and I’m not to know if your comment contained a typo or not.

I must admit I just realised I tagged the wrong poster in that one for the start of what I was referring to, but that particular poster is the one with the “I’m not stupid” etc

That is at best "liberal feminism", which isn't feminism at all. Radical feminism (radical meaning the root, not extreme) is absolutely against identity politics and genderism, and recognises that it's part of a huge pushback against women's rights.