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12 year old wants to go to wedding where sister hasn't been invited

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Stuckinthemiddlewithnoone · 06/05/2024 16:39

Essentially we have declined an invitation to husband’s nephew’s wedding in the summer as he has not invited my 15 year old daughter (16 by the time of the wedding) from a long ago relationship. We simply declined without saying why.

Sister-in-Law asked if we were on holiday etc. so I told her the truth. She seemed very embarrassed as did mother-in-law. We were told that she would ask, well that was a month ago and we haven’t heard anything. Husband all along said he wouldn’t go anyway even if they changed their mind.

Now here is the AIBU! 12 year old wants to go. She has completely lost it saying that she has a right to make her own mind up and that elder sister isn’t related to cousin.

I have lost it back at her saying she needs to support her sister.

However, husband thinks we should let her go and we shouldn’t put her in the middle of this.

So, what would you lot do?

OP posts:
Ostagazuzulum · 10/05/2024 16:15

Janiie · 06/05/2024 16:43

Let her go, you and dh should too. Its difficult with step relatives and I've experienced similar but you really can't expect them to be invited to 'blood' relatives weddings.

This is awful response. Op must have been with DH for at least 13 years. Their DD will have grown up since around age three with the in laws as her family but because she's not blood she shouldn't go. No. Simply no. Not ok.

JazbayGrapes · 10/05/2024 16:26

This is not the same on a million different levels. I really hope you don’t actually think this in real life. It’s a family wedding she’s been excluded from, not a trip to the cinema.

It's a party invite, and not the immediate family. I really doubt that it was intentional to personally spite this particular girl.

80schildhood · 10/05/2024 16:30

JazbayGrapes · 10/05/2024 16:26

This is not the same on a million different levels. I really hope you don’t actually think this in real life. It’s a family wedding she’s been excluded from, not a trip to the cinema.

It's a party invite, and not the immediate family. I really doubt that it was intentional to personally spite this particular girl.

Maybe not but anyone with a couple of functioning brain cells would know that sending an invitation that specifically leaves out one child of a family of four is a pretty shitty thing to do. And then they did it anyway.

Viviennemary · 10/05/2024 16:47

Of course a legal adoption makes a difference. What would be the point if it didnt.

Gogogowall · 10/05/2024 16:50

IReallyStillCantBeBothered · 10/05/2024 14:54

Yes it is not conventional but they are still blood sisters so my point was it’s not just a blended family.

And if this can cause resentment then OP needs to use this as a teaching moment and make the tough decision not just take the easy way out in order to “avoid resentment”. She is 12 so she does not dictate and decide to go or not.

I disgaree about the family member not doing anything wrong they have. If I am in a blended family then that is my family and it’s wrong and insulting to split the family and invite some and exclude some, very very wrong especially from my brother. If your sister or brother adopted a child would treat that child differently and exclude that child for your events? If you will then that is a horrible disgusting thing to do. that’s where we differ because I will welcome that child and test him or her the same as my other nieces or nephews not test the child like a second class citizen in the family.

Even her SIL and MIL were embarrassed when they found out.

You claim not allowing her to may result in resentment from the 12 year old, I disagree she is 12 and will move on quickly unless they are consistently prioritizing the 15 year old over the 12 year old then yes I can see resentment building but a one off miss of this wedding will not lead to lifelong resentment.

Have you also considered the impact on the 15 year old that her sister doesn’t care about her feelings or how she is treated? Aren’t sisters supposed to look out for each other? Are you saying her relationship with her cousins is more important than her relationship with her half sister who she shares a mother with and lives with?

And what will the 12 year old tell people who ask about her parents and sister at the wedding? Lie? Tell them her sister wasn’t invited so she came alone?

Edited

They are half blood sister, not full siblings so as a said not a conventional set up.

Yes let’s teach my 12 year old that her half sisters wants and needs are more important then my own even though the wedding couple are not related to my sister.

Adoption is completely different to having kids by more then one man. Its not comparable. I mean the DH here could have always adopted OP daughter but he hasn’t.

It doesn’t matter how MIL / SIL feel.

You seem to be missing the point of how much the 12 year old obviously wants to go.

15 year old is able to understand that she is in fact not related to the wedding party and should be happy her sister can have a nice day out.

She’s 12, she will figure out what to tell them.

To be honest if you are going to have kids but different men that you need to understand they won’t all be treated the same considering they all have different family members. It’s just life.

bookworm14 · 10/05/2024 17:08

80schildhood · 10/05/2024 16:30

Maybe not but anyone with a couple of functioning brain cells would know that sending an invitation that specifically leaves out one child of a family of four is a pretty shitty thing to do. And then they did it anyway.

This. Why are people being so dense? If this girl was being left out because she was disabled (which does happen) would everyone be fine with it? You invite both kids or neither - ‘blood’ is completely irrelevant.

IReallyStillCantBeBothered · 10/05/2024 17:16

Humannat · 10/05/2024 15:26

No, because that’s a totally different scenario and both will have the opportunity to make friends and go places.

The issue with this wedding is the exclusion based on blood despite knowing the older child longer?

Thank you.

@JazbayGrapes do you really think both scenarios are the same?

The issue here is OPs FIL is excluding her daughter despite the fact this brother is bringing her up as his own, you’re really comparing it to a friend inviting one of the girls????

Same question I asked another poster, if your brother or sister adopts a child will you treat that child differently from your other nieces and nephews? Exclude the child from your events?

WalkingaroundJardine · 10/05/2024 17:26

SerafinasGoose · 10/05/2024 16:03

'The rights of the child shall be paramount'. So speaks legal principle as upheld by practically every UK court, over and above the wants of adults. For example, the child has a right to a relationship with both parents and any grandparents, where a prior relationship exists, in cases of divorce. The child has a right to information about their biological origins, should they have been conceived using donor gametes.

Those 'rights' don't extend to parental capitulation when child throws minor strop because the whole family has declined a collective invitation. 'Rights' don't necessarily equal 'wants'. No one's telling DD2 she isn't allowed to see Granny.

In any case the OP's situation is resolved. She ain't coming back no matter how much people argue the toss.

On a more practical level though do you think the 12 year old would be up to it when asked where her family was by other guests unaware of the dispute? She will probably get a lot of pitying looks and her being there alone there will draw unwanted attention to the family conflict at the wedding that the 12 year old may not be skilled enough to deal with.

I would not be sending her for that reason alone.

It’s very sad that the OP’s family has been put in this position and divided with unnecessary conflict just because the 15 year old isn’t considered “blood” enough.. It could easily have been avoided. What a mess.

JazbayGrapes · 10/05/2024 17:28

To be honest if you are going to have kids but different men that you need to understand they won’t all be treated the same considering they all have different family members. It’s just life.

Funny enough, this thread is now flying around facebook as an example of why men should avoid single mothers.

SwingTheMonkey · 10/05/2024 17:41

JazbayGrapes · 10/05/2024 17:28

To be honest if you are going to have kids but different men that you need to understand they won’t all be treated the same considering they all have different family members. It’s just life.

Funny enough, this thread is now flying around facebook as an example of why men should avoid single mothers.

Really? Thats pretty pathetic.

JazbayGrapes · 10/05/2024 17:54

Really? Thats pretty pathetic.

You know what facebook is like.
I understand where the OP is coming from - DD1 doesn't have a dad nor the extended family from his side like DD2. And a wedding is somewhat harder to compensate than friends' birthdays. But i'm on a team 12yo here. The message she is getting that she could be enjoying her wedding invite if it wasn't for her half sister. Let alone being forced to take sides over a decision that adults made pretty thoughtlessly.

user1745 · 10/05/2024 18:08

I don't understand why so many people think this is okay because the older DD isn't a relative. Do people only invite relatives to their weddings? Do they not invite friends and acquaintances too? Even if they don't see the older DD as a relative, it's at best quite insensitive to leave her off the invitation given she's basically part of OP and her husband's family unit and presumably about as well-known to the nephew as the younger daughter. This isn't the same as a step-child who might spend half their time with another parent. She's part of the same family and I think it's pretty odd to leave her off the invitation.

Of course that's separate to the question of whether the younger daughter should be allowed to go and I honestly don't know what the right answer is there. I think there's a risk that not letting her go may lead to some bad feeling towards her older sister even if it didn't already exist.

Technonan · 10/05/2024 18:21

IReallyStillCantBeBothered · 09/05/2024 19:18

No she’s not old enough to make that decision, she’s 12.

if her father was going fine but really a 12 year old should go to a wedding alone?

Well, her father really shouldn't flounce out of a family wedding, but she will have other family there.

80schildhood · 10/05/2024 18:50

@Technonan he hasn't flounced out of a wedding. He has declined an invitation to the wedding of a pair of arseholes.

Longma · 10/05/2024 19:00

JazbayGrapes · 10/05/2024 09:22

There will be lots of non-blood relatives at the wedding.

Why don't know that at all.
Also, i'm sure the 15yo goes places and does things without the 12yo being present.

Most weddings will have a number of non-blood relatives surely?
The OP was invited -m she is a non-blood relative.
I assume the partners of many adults will be there too - pretty much all non-blood relatives, as are all in-laws usually.

Longma · 10/05/2024 19:04

What will you say, when the older is invited to, let's say a holiday or a theme park with a good friend? Will you not let her go because the invite does not extend to the younger?

It's a very different scenario.

One is a family occasion where one member of the immediate family unit (of 4) has been excluded.

The other is a friend based occasion. Only one member of the family unit is included whilst three are not.

Ime it really isn't normal to exclude one child of a family unit from attending a family event.

Longma · 10/05/2024 19:07

Let her go, you and dh should too. It's difficult with step relatives and I've experienced similar but you really can't expect them to be invited to 'blood' relatives weddings.

But the op has been invited, she isn't a blood relative either.
Why does it make a difference and suddenly be okay when that excluded person is a child?

bookworm14 · 10/05/2024 19:25

Once again: would it be acceptable if one child had been excluded because of a disability?

WimpoleHat · 10/05/2024 19:31

Ime it really isn't normal to exclude one child of a family unit from attending a family event.

It isn’t. And I think this is the crux of it - whether or not you think the 15 year old should or shouldn’t be seen as “family” by the bride and groom, grandparents etc - these four people are clearly a family unit. So you invite them all, or just the couple and no kids. To do anything else is just rude. It’s a totally different kettle of fish from “Auntie Maureen is now married to Bob and his kids come every other weekend” type scenario.

PinkRaspberry · 10/05/2024 19:45

I don’t think you’re being unreasonable at all, I think it’s actually pretty mean your older daughter hasn’t been invited and some of the comments on here are a bit unfair. She’s ‘not blood’ or ‘step cousin is distant’ - wowsers. It’s a child, who will probably feel the impact of being the only one not invited. If their choice was to save money, none of you should have been invited rather then singling your daughter out.

With a 3 year age gap it’s not like your eldest has only just come on the scene - she has been part of the wider family for 12 years. Imagine you have a big party and invite the nephew but not his new wife because she isn’t ‘blood related’. Bonkers.

Gogogowall · 10/05/2024 20:04

bookworm14 · 10/05/2024 19:25

Once again: would it be acceptable if one child had been excluded because of a disability?

How is that even comparable? It has no relevance on the situation.

bookworm14 · 10/05/2024 20:21

It is absolutely comparable because one person of a family of four is being excluded for an entirely arbitrary reason.

WalkingaroundJardine · 10/05/2024 20:22

The damage will still be done even if the 12 year old is allowed to attend the wedding alone. Her 15 year old sister will have been very hurt to be excluded from the wedding and would be hurt once again that little sister still wanted to go, simply because she could as a “blood” relative and not at all bothered that her sister was left out. So this could create a long term strain in their sibling relationship that wasn’t there previously.

Very sad. And so unnecessary on the part of the extended family who thought this was a good idea.

Rubyphoebetina · 10/05/2024 20:34

I can’t believe all the people on here that think it’s ok to exclude one child out of two in a family! There is no way that this is ok. Whether they are blood related or not is entirely irrelevant! I have cousins that are blood related and some that aren’t and it makes no difference whatsoever to the fact that they are all 100% my cousins! The husband’s nephew and fiancée must be awful people to do this and there is no way that I would attend the wedding or let the 12 year old go. 12 year old may not understand now but will do in the future and you can bet that it the show was on the other foot she would want her sister to support her.

Ellie56 · 10/05/2024 20:59

As a result of your husband's nephew's unbelievable rudeness, you and your DH have made the decision not to attend his wedding.

That should be the end of it. A twelve year old does not get to overrule your decision.

Plan something else for the whole family on the day of the wedding and don't give it another thought.

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