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Grown Men Dating Teenagers

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ReallyDubious · 05/05/2024 21:57

I have a male acquaintance who expressed a really concerning opinion about age gap relationships. He thinks that it is ok for a much older man to date younger women and teenagers as 'some women (or girls) are more mature than others'. Although I agree with that in principle, I do not agree that a teenager is ever mature enough to date a grown man.

He said he dated 'mature' teens when he was in his 40s and I'm seriously revolted at the thought. AIBU to think there is something seriously wrong with this man?

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HRTQueen · 06/05/2024 12:02

I think Leonardo DiCaprio is unattractive

him being a letch makes him unattractive and he is being called out by women in Hollywood he has become a bit of a joke

but really it isn’t funny it’s predatory creepy behaviour and times are changing it isn’t celebrated in the way it once was

KimberleyClark · 06/05/2024 12:06

HRTQueen · 06/05/2024 11:57

The man is predatory and I would be wary of him around young woman

I had an older boyfriend at 17 I loved that he treated me like a woman 🙄 he loved he had a young inexperienced girl who he could manipulate. I was naive at 17 you should be you are still learning about relationships and complexities of life

ds is 16 I would be horrified a 25 year old woman interested in him but let’s face it thankfully for boys it rarely happens

Sam Taylor Wood was 43 when she started dating 19 year old Aaron Johnson…..

Ihadenough22 · 06/05/2024 12:08

I think that when I see a woman that years younger than her boyfriend that he is with her due to his issues. He is a man that women of his own age will avoid due to any numbers of reasons.
I have a male relative who is now around 55/56. This man was in and out of relationships for years with woman who lived in his area. He went out with woman around his age in the past but these relationships ended. Over the years he did and said things to people that showed up his poor behaviour and his meaness. He is the type of man you tell your friends to avoid.
He is now living with his girlfriend who is 18 to 20 years younger than him. She was unemployed when she met him but is now working. He has his own home and decent income. His girlfriend is probably paying half his bills and the mortgage. He won't marry her because he owns valuable assets.

Ihadenough22 · 06/05/2024 12:08

I think that when I see a woman that years younger than her boyfriend that he is with her due to his issues. He is a man that women of his own age will avoid due to any numbers of reasons.
I have a male relative who is now around 55/56. This man was in and out of relationships for years with woman who lived in his area. He went out with woman around his age in the past but these relationships ended. Over the years he did and said things to people that showed up his poor behaviour and his meaness. He is the type of man you tell your friends to avoid.
He is now living with his girlfriend who is 18 to 20 years younger than him. She was unemployed when she met him but is now working. He has his own home and decent income. His girlfriend is probably paying half his bills and the mortgage. He won't marry her because he owns valuable assets.

SabreIsMyFave · 06/05/2024 12:22

JadeSheep · 06/05/2024 11:51

I don't mind age gaps but I hate men who turn in their faithful wives for a younger model. I read it on here often and it really bothers me

Yeah this. It's common in the world of celebrity. It makes me want to vomit tbh. These 50+ men ditch their wives, and NEVER go for a woman the same age. I just hate these men with a passion when they do this! Hmm

HRTQueen · 06/05/2024 12:24

KimberleyClark · 06/05/2024 12:06

Sam Taylor Wood was 43 when she started dating 19 year old Aaron Johnson…..

And Sam Taylor Wood is predatory too I was horrified when she was defended and worse actually celebrated for acting just like many creepy men

but we know from experience this happens far less

OneStepBeyond2 · 06/05/2024 12:39

I guess the proof of the pudding is in the eating so should we all ask ourselves how many of these millions of dysfunctional relationships wind up with people dead or in prison.

Disturbia81 · 06/05/2024 12:47

It's revolting and I get rid of anyone in my life who would do this or is okay with this. I had a friend and also a love interest (2 seperate men) say they were okay with this. We had great connections. I blocked both. They still try and get in touch and can't understand my problem or why I'd sacrifice friendships

Loubelle70 · 06/05/2024 12:57

OneStepBeyond2 · 06/05/2024 08:57

Is this really true? A lot of young guys think it's cool to sleep with a woman their mum's age, maybe something Freudian going on there. I can also imagine for the women that choose to do this it's something fun to gossip about with their friends over coffee. Is it really harming anyone?

It harmed me and Every Girl i knew who went with older guys. EVERY girl. None are still with them.

Neveralonewithaclone · 06/05/2024 13:01

Loubelle70 · 06/05/2024 12:57

It harmed me and Every Girl i knew who went with older guys. EVERY girl. None are still with them.

It harmed me terribly and for a long time. I couldn't see it for what it was.

Startingagainandagain · 06/05/2024 13:03

''@KimberleyClark

Sam Taylor Wood was 43 when she started dating 19 year old Aaron Johnson…..''

Yes and I find it equally creepy.

It does not matter to me if it is a a man or a woman, or whether they are gay or straight.

To me any middle aged person dating a teenager is dodgy and predatory.

Once you are in your 20s with a bit more experience of life and relationships then fair enough if you make an informed decision to choose to date/marry someone much older.

Neveralonewithaclone · 06/05/2024 13:03

My son who is in his mid 30s would be repulsed at the thought of being with someone younger than mid 20s.

Deathbyfluffy · 06/05/2024 13:05

MrsTerryPratchett · 05/05/2024 22:17

Men always think girls and women are more mature when it comes to them having sex, but never when it comes to running companies, ruling countries or making decisions.

I wonder why...

Well that’s absolute nonsense and you know it - some of the better companies I work with are run by women.
As a man I have massive amounts of respect for anyone doing ‘big’ things regardless of gender - and 99% of other men do too.

Sexism has no place in the modern world, and that applies to your post too.

Whycantiwinmillionsandsquillions · 06/05/2024 13:12

So out of the 1000s of women on here not one can confirm that at 60 or older, she is blissfully happy with her husband who she started dating when she was a teenager and he was in his 40s.
If you are not still together then the relationship was not good.

SherrieElmer · 06/05/2024 13:21

Is that even legal? I always thought you had to be an adult to date an adult. Looks like I was wrong!

IcedPurple · 06/05/2024 13:31

SabreIsMyFave · 06/05/2024 11:20

Yeah this. ^ I can count on the fingers of one hand the amount of women I have ever known who are attracted to much older men. Yes of course it's not uncommon for a 21-25 y.o. to fancy a 35 y.o. I fancied Johnny Depp a few years ago when I was 19 and he was 27, and I also thought a bloke a work was a bit of all right when I was 20 and he was 29. But it's rare for any woman to fancy a man of 50+ when she is late teens/early 20s.

So yeah, some younger women may fancy men about decade older. But when push comes to shove, most women in their 20s are not going to go for/marry a man old enough to be their dad. As you said, most people will settle with someone within several years of their own age.

Lots of younger women seem to fancy 'hot' actors like George Clooney, Johnny Depp, Brad Pitt etc, but at the end of the day, most will not go for a man over 55 when they're in their 20s, not in 'real life.' The women in their 20s and 30s who marry these famous men over 50-55 are marrying them for their money and fame 95% of the time.

Quite a few celebrity women are with much younger men too. Its not as frequent as the other way round, and the age gap usually isn't as large, but it does happen a lot more often than it would in the 'real world'.

The rich and famous might as well live on another planet. For the vast majority of 'ordinary' women, much older men are not considered any sort of catch. Like you, I know few if any women who actually prefer older men, however much some men would like to believe otherwise.

YankSplaining · 06/05/2024 13:38

KreedKafer · 06/05/2024 00:36

I mean, I don’t give a fuck if an 18-year-old dates a bloke in his mid-20s.

I also don’t give a fuck if a woman in her early 20s dates a man in his early 40s, to be honest, because there are plenty of ways they could easily meet and have a genuine rapport. I dated one man 20 years older than me and another man 16 years older than me when I was in my early/mid 20s. I met them both at work and we were mates before dating because we got on really well, similar interests and sense of humour etc.

But a man in his 40s dating a teenager is pretty dodgy, because it’s pretty clear that he will have been actively seeking out the very youngest girls he can legally date. If he’s attracted to younger women he could easily meet women in their mid-20s, the kind of women who could be his peers at work, have their own flat, and generally have their shit together. But if he’s meeting teenagers, then he’s definitely deliberately trying to find them because he’s got some ghastly ‘barely legal’ fantasy going on. Which is gross.

I do definitely think some people are way, way more mature at 18 than others. And I also know couples with substantial age gaps who are absolutely made for each other. I have a relative who married a man more than 20 years younger than her when she was 50 and he was late 20s. They’re still together two decades later and they are 100% each other’s soulmates. But I think a middle-aged man/woman who actively makes a point of looking for teenagers to date, no matter how ‘mature’ they are, is an a massive wrong’un.

I agree with all of this.

I don’t get what some people think is so weird about teenage girls/young women finding older men attractive (leaving aside, for the moment, the issue of whether they should actually date them). A lot of teenage boys and young men have baby faces, which aren’t attractive if you’re into very masculine men. I was a teenager in the early 2000s, and my friends and I all had big crushes on Viggo Mortensen - as Aragorn, with the beard. He was old enough to be our dad and actually had a son around our age. But he was objectively sexy and we really didn’t give a damn how old he was. (Fast-forward to now and my husband has long hair and a beard. 😂)

Unless an older person is a younger person’s teacher or boss or something like that, there’s only a “difference in power” between older and younger people, favoring older people, if the older people try to exert power and if the younger people accept that. It depends on the personalities involved - if you want a great example of a younger partner having emotional power over an older partner, go read about Lord Alfred Douglas and Oscar Wilde. Some older men are so enamored of beautiful younger women that they let the women walk all over them. (This was pretty much the dynamic between Anna Nicole Smith and her elderly husband.) Some older men date beautiful younger women and hope to push them around. Once everyone is the age of consent, it’s not some failproof mathematical formula where this age plus that age equals abusive older partner.

I don’t really understand women who think it would be so inappropriate for them to be attracted to men fifteen years younger. I grew up with my mom having a crush on Matt Damon when he was in his late twenties and she was in her forties. As a bisexual woman, I don’t get what’s so difficult to understand about older men being attracted to women in their twenties, either.

LakeTiticaca · 06/05/2024 13:40

localnotail · 06/05/2024 11:46

If anyone I know who is over 40 would say they are dating a 18-20 year old I would think they are, quite literally, a nonce, but are trying to stay "legal".

A nonce is someone who has a sexual interest in childen . Age 18-20 is an adult. And it's legal.
Get over yourself

YankSplaining · 06/05/2024 13:47

LakeTiticaca · 06/05/2024 13:40

A nonce is someone who has a sexual interest in childen . Age 18-20 is an adult. And it's legal.
Get over yourself

Seriously. Actual pedophiles are sexually attracted to prepubescent children, because of their prepubescent characteristics. We’ve gotten to this point as a society where we feel like pedophilia is one of the last real taboos, so people trying to describe their aversion to age-gap relationships grasp around for a word to get that aversion across and land on “pedophile” or “nonce.”

Livingtothefull · 06/05/2024 13:54

OneStepBeyond2 · 05/05/2024 22:50

My understanding from what little I know about the science is that both men and women are genetically pre programmed to be attracted to youth because fertility declines with age. I could give you two real world examples from people I'm friendly with at the pub. 1) a middle aged man, once a City high flyer and happy family man with great kids get divorced, loses the barn conversion and job, wife reneges on divorce agreement and tries to take him for everything. He starts acting inappropriately with young barmaids, gets a bad reputation and a talking to by the Police. Basically it looks like some sort of mid life crisis that he's now over and he seems much happier now. 2) 50 odd labourer, never married get friendly with 20 something barmaid, they often spend quiet times chatting. End up in a relationship and they now have a baby. What's wrong with that? Just because it seems wrong to you doesn't mean it is. Do you think gay relationships are wrong?

I am glad that the man in your 1st example got over his midlife crisis, and that he is happy now. I do hope the same can be said about the young barmaids he 'acted inappropriatelywith' (ie exploited).

Startingagainandagain · 06/05/2024 13:58

'@LakeTiticaca

A nonce is someone who has a sexual interest in childen'

To me a nonce is also the type of predator who will groom/date a teenager, especially a naive and vulnerable one, because they know that they might get away with it legally. They know full well they would likely end up in jail if they did the same thing to a child...

I am not sure why you are so keen to defend middle aged creeps dating teens anyway?

Young people who are 18- 19 should be dating other young people close to their age and enjoy their youth. Not be fair game for those old enough to be their parents...

BuckFadger · 06/05/2024 14:04

SabreIsMyFave · 05/05/2024 23:30

@MartinsSpareCalculator · Today 22:34

I can understand a middle aged man finding a young woman physically attractive. There are many beautiful 18yr olds.

REALLY? 18?! REALLY?! Hmm

You 'can understand' a middle aged man - 45 to 50 - being attracted to a TEENAGER? And someone who is very likely still at school? You think this is OK? REALLY?!

She never said she thought it was okay. She said she could understand why they might.

HRTQueen · 06/05/2024 14:14

Deathbyfluffy · 06/05/2024 13:05

Well that’s absolute nonsense and you know it - some of the better companies I work with are run by women.
As a man I have massive amounts of respect for anyone doing ‘big’ things regardless of gender - and 99% of other men do too.

Sexism has no place in the modern world, and that applies to your post too.

If you so passionate about sexism then you should be aware how rife it still is regardless of how progressive your company is and those you work with

and your post proves that you have little awareness of just how sexist our society still is towards woman

but do continue to tell us how things really are

Peacelily001 · 06/05/2024 14:17

Anthony Keidis is 60 and always dates women in their late teens/early 20s. Some look like he’s out with his grand daughter 🤢

Grown Men Dating Teenagers
HRTQueen · 06/05/2024 14:23

And it’s sex not gender Deathbyfluffy

sexism is about the prejudice, discrimination and stereotyping because of our sex not our gender