To finally be looking forward to a GE?

[Cadela]

The past election/PM changes have been horrendous. The visceral disappointment was awful each time.

I can’t wait to actually celebrate this year. I know, I know, Labour are going to set fire to the economy and tax everyone £3mil each and it’ll cost you 4 trillion a month to send you kid to private school, and all women will perish immediately because only Tories know what a woman is

But finally! It’s been a long fucking time coming.

The UK always does this. We leave the tories in power for so long they totally destroy the country, then we wake up finally and vote Labour in who help a little bit inevitably end up fucking up so back the tories come. Rinse and repeat.

Labour will have a lot of work on their hands to fix the mess the tories have left behind. Talking the full public sector from top to bottom. Education needs fixing from primary through to university. Let’s not get started on the NHS. I know what you mean though, finally feels like we have a shot at getting rid of the tories. First time in my adult life.

The numbers will be tiny and “strain” minimal. Not keen to disrupt education. I’m simply of the opinion disruption is a parent's responsibility and private education is a massive luxury that comes with the understanding of affordability not always being guaranteed. Fees go up, people lose jobs. You plan accordingly.

The focus on this as opposed to anything else speaks volumes 🙄

How is taxing private school fees and forcing more children into the already struggling state system going to help your child though? A child in the private system is saving the taxpayer thousands of pounds a year. The (optimistic) predicted tax receipt from the policy is around 1% of the state education budget. In reality, it’ll be far less. It’s going to make no difference to the state provision.

Why would anyone think it’s ok for any child to be disrupted and moved from somewhere where they are happy and thriving? We should be concentrating on improving the state provision so people don’t feel the need to use the private system.

The “well I can’t afford private school so you shouldn’t be able to either” attitude is unpleasant.

Normally, Labour mess the economy up and the Conservatives have to sort everything out. And then leave a decent economy for when Labour get in, spend all the money and wreck it again. That's the ridiculous political system we have.

But at the moment I think we are stuffed as the Conservatives have also messed everything up. So Labour will need to turn everything around from a very economic low baseline. Which they haven't done before. And are unlikely to be able to do now.

I’m well aware of this, thank you - that’s not what I was suggesting and that’s not the point I’m trying to make at all. Of course private schools are selective based on ability!

Just read through some of this and other similar threads and I think you will find the answer.

The pp dc being disrupted won’t be a benefit to you, your focus is there in that you feel good about it briefly.

It’s a poor policy but worse it will impact dc negatively

I don't think people are actually still going to vote Conservative. I think you may have drawn the wrong conclusion there. But it doesn't mean that former Conservative voters will necessarily vote for Labour. I think there's a general plague on all your houses attitude.

Um they come to power after the Second World War and created the NHS.

I’d say that was a low baseline.

@EasternStandard children will cope, same as the ones already in state education, unless you're presuming children in private education as a whole are inherently more fragile than the average child who does not have parents who could afford at any point to privately educate them.

No it’s a good and long overdue policy. There are however plenty of far more important areas to focus on.

Looking overall at the bigger picture over the last couple of generations, that's the general trend.
I did think of post WW2 actually before I wrote my original post as that Labour government is a fave of many Labour voters and I assumed someone would mention it but WW2 was quite some time ago and it's slightly more complicated than that eg it was a cross-party idea and in very unusual circumstances. Anyway probably not massively relevant to my original point due to it's historic nature and I suggest a bit of an outlier bucking the general trend.

It brings up some unpleasant side of ha at dc disruption

Not much more, actually less given pp paid but didn’t use state

There are better ways to look at education than go for base emotions

I'm sure if most people can see that, then they won't vote for it.
I guess that's what the polls are saying.

https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/prediction_main.html

Ah, not a fan of Nadine Dorres, that makes two of us.

@EasternStandard many children move around for their education, many in state schools have to, I understand you're trying to play the sympathy card for the poor, hard done by privately educated child who may have to eventually mix with their state counterparts but really it's a bit distasteful, lots of children go through a lot more and do absolutely fine.

The last labour government wasn't shit. Some of us have hope that the next labour government will do at least some good, and at least reverse some of the most cruel policies that have been brought in.

Oh totally. And completely pointless as the economy is stuffed anyway so it won't make any positive difference and will simply have a negative effect on some children. Its just a bit of tinkering to grab headlines and a bit of red meat to keep those Labour class warriors happy. All very negative and depressing and doesn't really inspire hope that a Labour government is going to actually do something constructive and stop the UK going down the plughole. And when it does it won't matter if you're in private or state education then or need SEN provision or anything as there will be no money for anything.

Gordon Brown and the "there's no money left" note.

Which tbf because of the pandemic will be a note that Rishi will also have to leave. But at least he had the pandemic as an excuse and didn't sell all our gold reserves off for 3p. Gold being quite handy to have at the moment for a country....

Look, I make up the facts round here please do not interrupt me while I do so.

It the reality of the policy. I get your posts that you feel strongly about it being ok to disrupt dc, I just don’t share the satisfaction, the opposite in fact it’s depressing to see the reaction.

Plus my dc are in state, if parents wish to pay and not use their space that’s useful.

Yep this

@EasternStandard using private education is inherently saying one child is worth more, entitled to more purely by accident of birth. It's no more than that.

People can dress up their concerns at this policy as though it's a kin to child abuse but in reality it just hurts them to lose that bit of privilege.

It's also really distasteful that in a country that has significant issues with child and adult social care which is actually creating a significant detriment to some of the most vulnerable, your making a comment about the potential impact on some of the otherwise most privileged children in county.

Normally, Labour mess the economy up and the Conservatives have to sort everything out. And then leave a decent economy for when Labour get in, spend all the money and wreck it again. That's the ridiculous political system we have

Very poor thinking and not backed up by the facts, so in my life time: Tories screwed up the economy in the very early 70s, energy crisis and a 3 day week... Labour voted in.
1979 Labour wrecked the economy and the Tories in.

1997 Tories wrecked everything, Labour back in.

2010 - Global financial Crash (defo not Labours fault) coalition voted in.

2024 Tories have really wrecked everything....

So on balance, its the Cons that wreck the economy.

I don't know what happened in the 50s and 60s too long ago.

Your argument would carry more weight if you were straightforward about it and not imply your class prejudice. It just makes you seem like you have an ulterior motive for your point that isn't related to the provision of eduction. Just a suggestion though.