To finally be looking forward to a GE?

[Cadela]

The past election/PM changes have been horrendous. The visceral disappointment was awful each time.

I can’t wait to actually celebrate this year. I know, I know, Labour are going to set fire to the economy and tax everyone £3mil each and it’ll cost you 4 trillion a month to send you kid to private school, and all women will perish immediately because only Tories know what a woman is

But finally! It’s been a long fucking time coming.

I know. Jesting back, hence the peanut remark!

Oh ok soz I retract 😀

Except the EDK AND ASI reports identify the holes in the IFS assumptions.

Plus:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/quarter-of-parents-would-quit-private-schools-if-vat-added-to-fees-brcwxcnd6?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR2IqtrYZOBINBuztSvIIO283FNSHXsHRjpfR-WlFUKOxnfWbcNsZ_7O5Iw_aem_AbiHQbSMiKOwp8ylvQ0B-iYAJnC32esn6qx0B0MNnkdnV75ejqkxUSYd0U7vFMW6JXKXVwQdtxpMQqFciqmROmUy

https://www.edsk.org/publications/obstacles-to-adding-vat-to-independent-school-fees/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR09hLLXM4JXJfdFZjQmrg6cxZ3c-CetfqKA4CmUC6ZTk2VqNjTWn_iqTIw_aem_AbjAbPTcAVDrgHER2QJ_CPLVFstLoTjZgiNq1XwgnTGahOtjA13PezvNwDmniVlJCbyhf-dHQAL9gzGDGQ9Mncj5

https://m.youtube.com/watch?reload=9&si=a1bnyFKrULkgECQd&fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR0ii8VNylHkaT9b7iXWdJsLSNoZMuV3NeFg7spuoPbpPvyZrj5qr14KbIw_aem_AbgbpHwfZKwRshIVGlAIvfLmXAdqXi3aGwUsZ0O8wlep3gpz5AjHlFtSTlDHlQAXH3UxCw6tM-Il2d7b6ve1CGfE&v=nC46B0aNyMc&feature=youtu.be

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/tax/greece-labour-style-attack-private-schools-backfired/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR3RbAE6x1nFJGHco4Pzk-ho-DhrD0nhvVdv8r1PexCHZzMW4I3r6RMg8pM_aem_AbiagtgAv9vrhxMy0yqmEAgLpk4Q4xpFBEDoS1ZLVjj8IiQCMWjjuHEPoDyS48DjAVhaKGKsRcqyJS782hM4TPsu

But the reality is we will always look after our own interests. Would you vote for someone if by voting your children would have a lower standard of living, and a bleaker future? Of course not. So please stop with the virtue signalling.

How very sad that you think it's virtue signalling.

@OhYoko

In the last mainstream I taught in there were circa ~60 lessons going on at any one time. So who is policing the potentially 60 ADHD kids leaving class at once, when there are barely enough teachers to cover the lessons going on? And if the answer is that there isn't anyone then it can't happen, lest those 60 kids cause chaos around the school/in the loos/in the corridors. So it would cost money because you need a couple of staff to be in charge of all of those kids who can't be in class.

In our school (independent), students can leave the classroom if they need to, the idea that they would cause chaos anywhere is laughable (ADHD doesn’t equate to children hell bent on creating chaos as I really hope you know). They can go to the SEN department for a breather/break or to do some work quietly on their own. Very few actually need to take lots of breaks because movement breaks are built into the day for everyone and teachers keep a close eye on events coming up that might be tricky for individual students for a myriad of reasons and make alternative provision if necessary.

When I looked at (generally very good) state school, I saw SEN provision that varied from a small room with a long desk and chair in it to large centres dedicated to SEN. However, I also came up against some real reverse academic snobbery and ideas of what “success” looks like for students. Unless children demonstrated challenging behaviours that necessitated them being removed from their classrooms, the time they would have for support was limited to a few short sessions a week.

At our school children have support as and when they need it. Many have regular learning support sessions to support them in a structured way, but that’s not the limit. There’s no stigma, many of the children who need the SEN support are children who also would previously have fallen under the “g&t” label (and it’s a selective school anyway, with fierce competition to get in for everyone).

The images conjured up by your post remind me why I chose an independent school for my children that is (mainly) a calm and respectful environment where there isn’t much “chaos”.

Indeed. Anybody who would be better off under another Conservative government is unlikely to be struggling in the first place; there is a hell of a difference between 'a lower standard of living' meaning children not being able to access adequate nutritious food vs having to share a pony between them instead of having one each.

Some of us believe in aiming for a society where everyone can have a decent standard of living, so feeding, clothing and housing themselves, accessing education and healthcare and expecting to be safe from harm and discrimination, as well as having the opportunity to make their voices heard. That isn't virtue signalling, it's just not being a selfish, blinkered cunt.

I can vote for whoever I like. Im
not asking people to follow me or agree with me. My working life is not selfish. But when it comes to my children’s education and happiness, yes I do what’s best for them wherever I can.

Life is unequal. My children have a hard time because they have some SEN. I make it easier by paying for an excellent school.

There is SO much inequality, I’d love to see a more level playing field but I won’t sacrifice my children for my principles.

If labour get in, nothing is going to radically
change. If they weren’t trying to win easy votes with the independent school VAT fiasco, I would feel less clear.

Tbh I’m not keen on any of them.

I would like vastly more spending on health and education. Vastly more. I’m sick of seeing the NHS being group down. It’s not 100% down to the tories though.

So many typos. Hopefully
youll get the gist. Off to the sunshine now which is blissfully free of charge to all!

I’m sick of seeing the NHS being group down. It’s not 100% down to the tories though.

Who else is to blame? It was in very good shape when they inherited it.

Let's face it, the vast majority of people who use private education will be able to afford the 20% VAT on the fees and are just pissed off because they don't want it to be more expensive than it already is. No one wants to pay more. The thing is, plenty of us in the country are really pissed off about plenty of things that have happened over the last 14 years and we've just had to suck it up. That's just what PE parents are going to have to do too.

It is also what net beneficiaries of the state will have to do when everyone realised this won’t fund the huge fiscal black hole.

No one said it would fund the huge fiscal black hole, though, did they? It is just one measure that can be taken to begin to address inequality and make things a little fairer and provide some money to address some problems that we have.

Talk of 'net beneficiaries' is now being held up as some kind of 'gotcha' for some reason. A civilised society is one which strives towards equality, and one in which the vulnerable are supported and measures are in place to enable social mobility. It's not one in which people feel superior because they're a 'net contributor' and feel that makes them entitled to take more and more from the undeserving poor. If you're one of the contributors just count yourself lucky because you could be one illness or recession away from being one of those terrible beneficiaries.

Really? Have you ever heard of Momentum? Have you seen any of the old left labour reactions?

Talk of 'net beneficiaries' is now being held up as some kind of 'gotcha' for some reason

Yes, it is the latest Tory catchphrase I think.

Can't imagine that's a loss of such a large proportion of the electorate to make the slightest bit of difference. But I'm sure you're right.

The Tories have done pretty well overall. You can't judge 14 years on one budget gone wrong, or global pandemics and Putin's war which we've took the hit on economically.

😂

Just the language or the idea that not only higher earners might see change at some point? I mean change to what the state can afford for all levels

I’m not sure where it’s all coming from to meet what people are after

From Conservative Home.

https://conservativehome.com/2024/05/05/goodbyeee/

Wow. That’s shockingly honest.

Its delightful isn't it.
How long will the grief last?

Oh, how exciting, I wondered what they would move on to, now they have been beaten (in terms of number of council seats) by two parties that apparently don't know what a woman is.

Could you help me understand the Tories having done pretty well by identifying one thing that is better now than in 2010?
Thanks.