To ask what the tories have ever done for us…

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To compliment the thread about labour and give a bit of balance, let’s discuss the legacy of 14 years Conservative government. Never voted for them myself and although we now have 2 out of 3 Tory MPs up here because of the Brexit effect I haven’t seen any great improvement in our town. In fact if anything it’s pretty much gone to the dogs. So good and bad, what have they achieved ?

It does seem to have started to filter through- see the migrants going to Ireland. As the policy takes effect it will hopefully have the effect of drastically reducing people coming in small boats. That can only be a good thing as it’s extremely dangerous.

“The Localism Act 2011 formally repealed the Home Information Pack legislation on 15 January 2012.”

You mean the migrants Ireland is now seeking to return to the UK?
Which has the potential to impact the UK's agreements to return to France?

When will people realise we can not stop migration through gimmicks like the Rwanda crap.

Perhaps cutting investment in overseas aid was not such a wise move.

To judge from yesterday, the British have stopped listening to the Conservatives. Even if they have done something useful, the conformation bias is now firmly "Conservatives are bad". And you can do very little about that - once a government has been tuned out, the voters rarely give their policies positive attention. Instead mistakes and unpleasant messaging get traction.

The Conservatives have had years to be positive and build a communication strategy for the next election which wasn't just boo Labour or look at Angela Rayner's house. It is a stupid approach which builds Labour up overall

It's the conservatives who don't seem to appreciate that people want change. Or not listening anyway.
A minister was on with Laura K this morning being interviewed and he was almost scoffing at the notion that people are not happy just now despite all the evidence to the contrary. Yes, inflation has come down , but it was high whilst they were in power. It's as if they like to pretend they haven't been in power for all the bits that have gone wrong. It is odd.
I appreciate this was his point of view and he wasn't going to agree with her , but it feels short sighted if they want to get the votes to admit that some things might need a turn around.
He just didn't seem to think it did.

Possibly. This is an extract from the government's report on Rwanda:-

Significant human rights issues included credible reports of: unlawful or arbitrary killings; torture or cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment or punishment by the government; harsh and life-threatening prison conditions; arbitrary detention; political prisoners or detainees; transnational repression against individuals located outside the country, including killings, kidnappings, and violence;

It does go on in the same vein. Not exactly a beacon of delight and welcome.

They provided the first non white prime minister

And the first woman prime minister

Well yes. But since they were both awful their relative characteristics might matter less than what they actually did

Good one! 🤣🤣🤣

I’ve never felt proud to be British - it was an accident of birth, not an achievement. But until the Brexit fiasco, I never felt deeply embarrassed to be British either.

The well-meaning pity from some of our European neighbours makes my toes curl, because it’s entirely warranted. I would cringe far less if they just gloated and said, “oh, how the mighty have fallen!”

Absolute horseshit.
David Cameron (Tory) called for the referendum, due to multiple gobby Tory MPs calling for one.
The primary faces of the Brexit campaign aside from Farrage were B Johnson (Tory) and Michael Gove (Tory) who looked like the shifty idiots they are on the day after the results.
Theresa May (Tory) then tried to wade through glue to get a deal agreed, but failed as lots of Pompous Tory’s couldn’t agree on how many unicorns they should be entitled to.

Then Johnson (Tory) in his new role and Lord Frost (Tory) cooked up a terrible deal which has to be passed to avoid an even greater sh*t show.

Their grubby paw marks are all over that terrible self inflicted mess. Shame on all of them.

The primary faces of the Brexit campaign aside from Farrage were B Johnson (Tory) and Michael Gove (Tory) who looked like the shifty idiots they are on the day after the results.

They both looked absolutely gutted! The electorate weren’t meant to call their bluff and vote Leave in large enough numbers to make it happen. It must have been a sickening, “OH SHIT!” moment for both of them.

@Lengokengo you need your head examining. David Cameron, the Tory PM pleaded to the electorate to vote remain. The electorate voted to leave.

@HappiestSleeping

•	The Safety of Rwanda (Asylum and Immigration) Bill responds to the Supreme Court’s concerns and will allow Parliament to confirm the status of the Republic of Rwanda as a safe third country, thereby enabling the removal of persons who arrive in the United Kingdom (UK) under the Immigration Acts.
•	The bill:
•	confirms that Rwanda is a safe third country for the purposes of removing individuals to Rwanda

D Cameron ( Tory) called the referendum as he was under pressure from his Tory MPs. He gambled that it would bring them in line. His arrogance made him think his voice would undo his gamble. When his gamble failed, he wafted off.

I think we should start calling it ‘ the Tories Brexit’. Because that is what it is.

or the people made their choice when they voted for it, the publics pickle ?

The Tories made that choice possible and compounded it by not building in any safeguards like a minimum percentage of votes. After all Farage said he wouldn’t have accepted such a close result if it went the other way.

Nobody ever admits to voting for Brexit now! Very amusing that Conservatives would in effect blame voters for the incredibly stupid decision they made to manage their own internal party problems.

Anyway it's solved nothing as Reform are going chew the Conservatives up anyway. They must feel very stupid after all that effort to get rid of Farage et al

Ultimately the people voted in favour of Brexit and they are to blame. With hindsight many things could have been done differently. For example if the Labour Party had supported Remain then that would have been the outcome.

Hahahaha

Some party hack decreed that the people
had lost the government's confidence
and could only regain it with redoubled effort.
If that is the case, would it not be be simpler,
If the government simply dissolved the people
And elected another?

The blame lies with the party that allowed the referendum to happen in the first place, however much you try to pass the buck.

Maybe the vote should be taken away from 'the people' altogether!

Ok you've really over egged the pudding now.

Let's just stop feeding it, people.

You’re making a very good case for it.

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