to ask your thoughts on this? Fatal shooting during burglary

[itsjustataste]

Happened near me very recently and our community seems very torn with lots of people slinging insults at both sides. Lots of people shouting about playing stupid games, win stupid prizes etc... whilst others calling the shooter a murderer.

I find it very sad that someone so young has ultimately lost their life and has got mixed up in this sort of thing.

BUT that being said, I don't have any ill feeling toward the farmer either and cannot say that I wouldn't do the same if faced with 3 people breaking into my home, especially if I had my children in the house.

The other 2 suspects arrested for aggravated burglary meaning a weapon was involved and there had been a break in at the same home the night previously too.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-68942085.amp

I am totally with the farmer. And I'm afraid I have no sympathy at all for men who think that it is okay to break into people's homes (particularly carrying weapons) whatever their age.

Tbh even of someone broke into my house and just stood there (especially if there were three) and I had a gun I’d probably panic shoot them before they could do something to me or my family. I wouldn’t wait to find out. I’m a jumpy person, of course the way to avoid people like me is TO NOT BREAK INTO PEOPLE’S HOMES.

The surviving thugs are the ones who should be taken in for attempted murder.

The families grief their (adult) son died is irrelevant. He was in the wrong without any doubt and the farmers response is entirely just.

How is it possible the farmer was arrested instead of offered victim support?! I hope he gets compensation for all this. It’s beyond belief. I’m loosing so much faith in the legal system.

"Death is not the penalty for burglary."

Unfortunately.

So what do you think they broke in to do? I honestly cannot comprehend the 'wait.. we don't know what they actually were going to do..' defenders of the criminals!

You can get all those things in a farmhouse too.

The dead man was a local. Chances are that the farmer was targeted because they assumed he had cash in the house. Farming isn't easy, but you often hear folk in villages speaking about farmers as though they're rolling in cash.

Good to see the fund is going well!

I didn't know that Tony Martin only fired birdshot. He was unlucky, in that case.

I've no doubt that I'd be devastated at the loss of my son...but the one thing that is not in question is that he was in someone else's home uninvited.

If someone is in my house against my wishes, I'm going to assume that they're their for nefarious reasons - unless it's a police officer or a paramedic.

Absolutely I would regard anyone breaking and entering into my home (especially at 1.30am) as a clear and present danger to my life and anyone else in the house’s life and I would defend myself with all I had.

This was a home invasion by armed criminals, not some harmless, cuddly, loveable rogue burglars, forced into crime to feed their families, creeping around the home stealing small time stuff (like jewellery of sentimental value) who would run off terrified as soon as the householder confronted them, as some ridiculous woolly liberal idiots on here would like them portrayed.

Frankly i believe that by the very fact you are armed and have broken into someone's house should mean that the householder can shoot you. You won't get shot if you are not there.

Team Farmer.

One less worthless scumbag in the world to grow up and breed more worthless scumbag children.

I hope the Farmer is treated leniently. He must have been terrified.

Team farmer all the way. One less thieving scumbag on the street.
Come into my home at your own risk i will defend my family and property by any means necessary and do whatever it takes for you to leave.
This man was 19 and went to someone’s home with a weapon, to rob them for the second time in two days - whatever your frame of reference this is not the action of a ‘nice lad’.
I don’t care what the law says the penalty is for burglary you lose your right to fair treatment the moment you break into my house.

No sympathy for anyone who is injured while they are in someone elses house they have not specifically been invited into. I think it is a travesty that you can be charged like this. And as for this quiet rural area - there are people being relocated from Manchester so there are pockets in this high peak area where there are a lot of behavioural problems.

Absolutely, all the idiots who bleat 'oh poor lads, who knows what hardship befell them that they knew no other way of life.. how can they possibly have known what they were doing was wrong..'

Saying that, a pensioner who killed a burglar with a screwdriver (they were in the kitchen and it was to hand) was let go without charge.

Is that the one who was hounded out of his house by the friends and family of the scumbag who brought the sharpened screwdriver with him to burgle the house?

Of course they can. Self defence, no reasonable chance of a conviction, not in public interest are all reasons why they may not charge.

What I find 'terrifying' is the number of people on this thread making excuses for the little scrote and his merry band, doubt they will have been on the wrong end of an aggravated burglary.

Poor farmer
Poor boys parents / family

BUT I don’t have much sympathy for anyone who believes they can rob / terrorise others on their own property. Hope farmer is not charged and it is seen for what it was - a threat to his own life so self defence

Team farmer here.
And one less robbing scrote terrorising people in their homes. No sympathy whatsoever

I'm on the farmer's side here.
Circumstances are irrelevant; if you break into someone's house you are consenting to getting hit by whatever they choose to throw at you.

@Soigneur that's simply not true. Plenty of people have been convicted in the same circumstances.

Firearms and ammunition have to be stored completely separately. As a registered keeper of firearms he agreed to this. The farmer had a loaded firearm ready to go, he had been burgled the night before, and so this shows intent to cause harm.

Thats why he's been arrested for murder and not manslaughter. If he'd killed him with a baseball bat that he quickly grabbed from his sports bag that he'd used earlier that day at the baseball match he played in, it would likely be a different story. The baseball bat just happened to be there, and he grabbed it in the spur of the moment.

I'm 100% team farmer though I'd have done the exact same. The law is absolutely stupid.

Thanks for that. I have donated.

I'm normally very much a bleeding-heart leftie when it comes to this sort of thing but to be honest, if three armed men broke into my home and I had a gun, I'd shoot too. I think most people would. I wouldn't deliberately shoot to kill, I'd probably try to go for the kneecaps or something (can you tell I've never fired a gun), but I'd probably just shoot and hope for the best.