to ask your thoughts on this? Fatal shooting during burglary

[itsjustataste]

Happened near me very recently and our community seems very torn with lots of people slinging insults at both sides. Lots of people shouting about playing stupid games, win stupid prizes etc... whilst others calling the shooter a murderer.

I find it very sad that someone so young has ultimately lost their life and has got mixed up in this sort of thing.

BUT that being said, I don't have any ill feeling toward the farmer either and cannot say that I wouldn't do the same if faced with 3 people breaking into my home, especially if I had my children in the house.

The other 2 suspects arrested for aggravated burglary meaning a weapon was involved and there had been a break in at the same home the night previously too.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-68942085.amp

What about that is offending you so much - it's a simple statement of fact.

No but he had to move as the Police couldn't (or wouldn't) stop the family threatening him.

Also, he didn't actually stab him – as it was confirmed at the inquest hearing, which ruled his death as lawful, Vincent ignored a clear warning from Brooks that he was armed and ran into the blade. You can't run into a shotgun and set it off to shoot yourself, so it's not really a comparison.

Team farmer here.
If anyone is to leave town it's the burglars family. Amazes me how they have no shame - id be mortified it It were my son. Good on the farmer! We are right behind you .....

If they were armed with guns and he saw that and gave them warning then yes.

if they had baseball bats and he saw that but shot them his defence as the law stands is harder ( which I don’t particularly agree with btw)

Being burgled is horrific even when you are not in the house . It takes a while to come to terms with it . And if you are in the house how can you have time to check if they are armed and what with ?

But I can’t see this not going to court .

This reminds me of the time my brother wasn’t allowed to take a milk shake into the football as it was deemed it could be used as an offensive weapon

I'm with the Farmer . How utterly terrifying to be broken into by one never mind three! He was protecting himself, family and home. The scumbags should rot in hell. My old Gran was broken into, they stole £5! She never recovered from the shock and fear. The law needs to be changed!

100% behind the farmer to the level if he had a go fund me for legal fees I'd contribute.
Are the grieving family understanding if they hadn't purposely gone to threaten and burglarise with weapons he wouldn't be dead?

a 19 year old is not a "lad". he's a young adult. And presumably mature enough to know that burglary is wrong and carrying a weapon is wrong. Even if he didn't himself have a weapon if he knew his cohorts did then he was a fool for being there with them.

It's sad that he's dead and one friend wounded. It's astonishing that the third of their party fled the scene leaving his so called friends dead or wounded.

I know that some families try their best to raise their children to understand right from wrong and sometimes things just don't work out that way. If the family was like that then I have complete sympathy for them. If not I hope they realise that they are, in part, to blame for what has happened.

I feel sorry for the farmer who now has to live with what he has done and possibly need to move away in order to get on with his life.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Sorry, no sympathy for three men who terrorised an elderly man.

And if you are a violent criminal, expect consequences.

If Marcus Smith or his accomplice was armed with a milkshake I'll make a donation to his funeral fund.

@DoreenonTill8 he does. Go on to go fund me and put in the search bar Joshua lomas. His son is raising funds for legal fees.

I can’t post a link.

I can’t believe the farmer is being charged with murder. Is this just standard legal business cos it doesn’t make any sense to me. I know Americans can be trigger happy with their guns but if someone was in your house with weapons at 1.30am, they were not there for coffee and biscuits. He better not go to jail. Even being charged with mutder sounds stupid to me except the police know something we don’t.

The burglars also did a thing that Oldskool criminals never did:
”Don’t shit on your own doorstep “

Great thanks!

We do have the right to defend ourselves but it must be proportionate. Death is not the penalty for burglary. Saying that, a pensioner who killed a burglar with a screwdriver (they were in the kitchen and it was to hand) was let go without charge.

with the farmer 100%.
You choose to break into someones home, you have to take the consequences

Or even if he hid and shot the man without the man ever seeing him.

The man who with other men broke into someone's home with criminal intent? Poor lamb.

Not even vaguely offended 😅that was an expression of suprise

You can see that breaking into a home and getting shot is a direct and imaginable consequence and getting shot whilst over staying a visa is not?

100% with the farmer who was defending his property. The low life burglar shouldn't have been there.

My point was that we don’t know enough about this case to make a judgement.

You have no idea how violent the intruders were. Nobody does. When somebody unexpectedly enters your home you do not know who they are or what they are capable of. That's why it's proportionate. Not to the crime but to the threat you are facing. I would consider anybody breaking into my my home poses an immediate threat to my life. I would consider acting with lethal force proportionate, especially if all I had to defend myself against 3 armed people was a gun. What other object would allow me to insure my own safety against 3 intruders? It's not fucking Hollywood nobody is taking down the bad guys with just a batamarang and some rope. I absolutely hope you never get faced with any violent crime because you would be absolutely defenseless.