to ask your thoughts on this? Fatal shooting during burglary

[itsjustataste]

Happened near me very recently and our community seems very torn with lots of people slinging insults at both sides. Lots of people shouting about playing stupid games, win stupid prizes etc... whilst others calling the shooter a murderer.

I find it very sad that someone so young has ultimately lost their life and has got mixed up in this sort of thing.

BUT that being said, I don't have any ill feeling toward the farmer either and cannot say that I wouldn't do the same if faced with 3 people breaking into my home, especially if I had my children in the house.

The other 2 suspects arrested for aggravated burglary meaning a weapon was involved and there had been a break in at the same home the night previously too.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-68942085.amp

I'm with the farmer 100%. Zero sympathy for the thieving weapon carring arsehole.

Its good you re on the investigating team and are telling us all they were armed with guns an knives and were in the farmers house.

The man arrested in his car on the A6 has been charged with aggravated burglary, could mean he had a gun on him or a largish pen knife with no good reason to have one.

We don't know.

I'd like to think licensed gun holders have a modicum of control over their thoughts even in the heat of the moment. As others have said, the gun should've been unloaded and locked in a cabinet, which meant he'd have had to get the key, taken the weapon out and loaded it before firing - there should've been minutes to think, not seconds.

He didn't deserve to be executed, but if he'd gone home when he was supposed to, he wouldn't have been shot dead on the tube.

You need to make a complaint about the fact their accomplice was arrested on suspicion of aggravated burglary if there was no weapon present.

Btw, I hope you're never woken up in the dead of night by an intruder on your property who makes you fear for your life, but if you are, please tag me in the post you make telling us about the tea and cake you make for him while telling the wee misguided love where your valuables are.

Yes it’s sad a young man has died. But if he hadn’t decided to break in and potentially wreck the farmers life then he would still be here.

my sympathy lies with the Farmer

Jesus fucking Christ

There is also a Go Fund Me for the funeral of the dead criminal which has surpassed its goal.

His death is described as a ‘tragic incident’ and he is described as a ‘kind, loving, warm hearted lad’.

These people have no shame at all that this ‘kind, loving, warm hearted lad’ died as part of an alleged gang of armed home invaders who had returned to raid the same home twice in one 24 hour period.

Actually, when i lived in Aldermaston in the 90s, i was burgled, i found the guy downstairs, i told him to FO and he did.

I had a cup of tea and neighbour gave me some cake, i didn't feel i was about to chopped up and dumped in a canal.

Nowadays, an offensive weapon can include many household items carried in public without good reason, doesn't mean he had a sawn off or an AK47

Has that been confirmed, that he definitely tried to burgle the farm the night before?

You were extraordinarily lucky not to have been attacked. It doesn’t matter what type of weapon was being carried it was a weapon

I strongly suspect you could take a life yourself, if it were a choice between then and one of your children, surely?

It matters to know whether they were a threat to the family as most burglars are not.
If unknown to you people are wandering round your house at 1.20am I would think it's safe to assume they are a threat to you especially if you disturb them.
They had no right to be there and was only there to commit a crime against the farmer.
In that situation I hope I would do everything I can to protect my family
You dont know the mindset of these low life's, whether they are off their tits on drugs,out for a kill thrill or what.
If this idiot hadn't been skulking around in someone else's gaff, it would have happened.

And if he hadn't fucked off when you told him? And if it wasn't just him but him and his armed mates?

Good point, and I'd like to think I do what I could to protect my children, I just don't particularly enjoy fantasising about that scenario or planning for it.

I clearly stated alleged @Bookworm1111 but from what has been posted all over the net, it seems highly unlikely that two different sets of criminals coincidentally targeted the same isolated property in a 10 hour timeframe.

I expect this will come out soon enough.

i tink you should be able to defend yourself proerpty an family

sorry but why should we live in fear an not be able to do anyting about it

No sympathy at all for the criminals. The farmer defended himself and his home, he had no choice, they all chose to go there armed and with intent.

sadly though the farmer will now have his life ruined, one way or another, thru the fault of robbing bastards.

Thanks for clarifying. I thought it was official confirmation.

Yes, that makes sense!

I have seen some mother claim that they don't know if they could kill someone to save their child and I just find that utterly incomprehensible!

Just to add the first burglary was reported at 3.30pm so in the afternoon in broad daylight. The next one was at 1.20am the following morning so sounds like they came back hoping Mr Lomas would be asleep or more vulnerable in the middle of the night.

Makes it even more sinister tbh.

Life is full of if's isn't it?

I was answering the pp who said this was a them or us situation, we don't know that.

So i think its stupid to make assumptions.

Here is another one - a friend of mine heard a disturbance downstairs, she went down to find out what it was, a man was bent down in the kitchen, as he stood up, she punched him full in the face,,,,, turned out it was her adult son who had come down to get a midnight snack.

She is ex army and knows how to look after herself but made an assumption!

The police have officially confirmed two burglaries 10 hours apart.

Possibly. Or maybe his gun was loaded because he’d already been burgled the night before and was worried about it happening again. Maybe it was locked away correctly.

I still have no sympathy for the burglar.

Think we’ll just have to agree to disagree.

I believe one of the travellers got 16 years and the other two 13? Or in other words 8 and 6 until let out on licence

As you suggest, an utter disgrace