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Welovecrumpets · 2024-05-03T12:41:41+00:00

Just curious. I’ll be voting for them reluctantly but I’m not really sure what can or will be done about the state of the country. It seems we’re skint so they’ll just have to tinker around the edges.

tiggergoesbounce · 04/05/2024 18:25

I don't expect miracles. We are in such a shit show it will take a term just to start to sort things out, but starmer already said this.
But I do think they will do better with our education system and our NHS.
People talking about protecting our kids from a labour government obviously have no idea what our education system is like under a severely underfunded system.

I think after the current have failed women and shown their complete contempt for them...for years..., anything will be better.

EasternStandard · 04/05/2024 18:25

Noicant · 04/05/2024 18:17

I think it will be similar but slightly worse (if thats even possible) I expect taxes will go up but I also think they will have to reform welfare. I don’t even see the point of VAT on private schools, it’s not going to raise that much money, it’s just very ideological rather than for any good reason, expect more of that sort of thing.

Someone said this thread was hyperbole

I don’t see how this is. It’s not pro Labour true, but seems fairly low key and could be the case

tiggergoesbounce · 04/05/2024 18:30

Like Angela Rayner, who fibbed about where she was living to tax dodge?

Haha a 48k (??) Capital gains vs millions to your mates for PPE contracts that was needed to save lives - not comparable really.

Tootiredforallthiscrap · 04/05/2024 18:32

It’s not pro Labour true, but seems fairly low key and could be the case

Have you crystal ball ? Much like Tory HQ predicting Hall was winning….

Marjoriefrobisher · 04/05/2024 18:32

EasternStandard · 04/05/2024 18:10

I care, and we use state. I don’t agree with the policy for your reason and it’s just a poor policy

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Thank you. Amid this callousness and spite, that actually means a lot.

EasternStandard · 04/05/2024 18:34

Marjoriefrobisher · 04/05/2024 18:32

Thank you. Amid this callousness and spite, that actually means a lot.

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No worries. I think it’s really a shame dc will he hit by a poor policy

Marjoriefrobisher · 04/05/2024 18:36

Tootiredforallthiscrap · 04/05/2024 18:19

@Marjoriefrobisher well maybe, maybe not, but what’s for sure is that the current Tory government is cynical, bereft of ideas (unless they are pilfering Labour ones), happy to plant the seeds of division in wider society with its pointless bl*y culture wars, dishonest and quite happy to spread disinformation. That is obvious yes ?

It seems to me that the chief culture warriors are those on the left who have sought to overturn well established social and legal norms in pursuit of extreme identity based ideology - which Starmer repeatedly sympathised with until the fact that it is electorally toxic penetrated the concrete. The tories, very belatedly , have started to turn back the tide on this - ill be delighted if they can continue.

Giglebtink · 04/05/2024 18:40

Desecratedcoconut · 04/05/2024 17:42

Because the labour party has been telling people with gender critical beliefs to sling their hook for years. They made a heretic out of Duffield. They sat on their hands while that misogynistic dick Russel Moyle heckled women in parliament. They didn't raise an eyebrow at Streeting's hit list of women who had the temerity to think women were a sex class, Lammy and his denigration of women who he labelled dinosaurs...have you been living under a rock?

Don’t forget Dawn Butler. She was being paid by Anthony Watson, often.

https://gendercriticalwoman.blog/2022/04/05/labour-party-anthony-watson/

To ask what you expect from Labour when/if they win the election?

Giglebtink · 04/05/2024 18:40

https://gendercriticalwoman.blog/2022/04/05/labour-party-anthony-watson/

Labour Party & Anthony Watson

Labour Party Donor and GLAAD who keep a list of Non-Compliant Women like a version of the Rainbow Stasi

https://gendercriticalwoman.blog/2022/04/05/labour-party-anthony-watson/

GingerAndLimeCurd · 04/05/2024 18:42

TooBigForMyBoots · 04/05/2024 18:21

I worry many posters seem to have missed things that have been rules out already or assuming 90s comeback despite the obvious differing conditions.

I don't think that at all @GingerAndLimeCurd. People are painfully aware of our current state and know there's no magic wand for Labour or anyone else. So responses from Labour supporters and others is muted and realistic. I loved the PP hoping for a boring government that will run the country. It is anti- Labour hyperbole that has driven this thread.

Interesting reply as I've seen many of your posts on other political threads - got very much impression it was all the promised land of milk and honey with you and finger wagging at any who suggest different.

Maybe given council elections firming up the poll data mean a more realistic narrative can occur on here.

TooBigForMyBoots · 04/05/2024 18:42

The tories, very belatedly , have started to turn back the tide on this - ill be delighted if they can continue.

Sunak is out on his arse the day after the GE. The favourite to succeed him is Penny TWAW Mordaunt. The Tory TRA agenda will be back.

JessS1990 · 04/05/2024 18:44

Marjoriefrobisher · 04/05/2024 18:36

It seems to me that the chief culture warriors are those on the left who have sought to overturn well established social and legal norms in pursuit of extreme identity based ideology - which Starmer repeatedly sympathised with until the fact that it is electorally toxic penetrated the concrete. The tories, very belatedly , have started to turn back the tide on this - ill be delighted if they can continue.

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I've never considered Liz Truss left wing, but there we go, each to their own.

Desecratedcoconut · 04/05/2024 18:44

Aww Dawn Butler, the mp who trashed the Cass report before she even read it. Nothing to see here

Marjoriefrobisher · 04/05/2024 18:44

TooBigForMyBoots · 04/05/2024 18:42

The tories, very belatedly , have started to turn back the tide on this - ill be delighted if they can continue.

Sunak is out on his arse the day after the GE. The favourite to succeed him is Penny TWAW Mordaunt. The Tory TRA agenda will be back.

But at the moment, the Sunak government is pushing back, and much has been achieved. So if he wins, that will continue - one very cogent reason to prefer him over Starmer, who still won’t expand on his theory about women with penises, the little tease

Bibnle636 · 04/05/2024 18:45

twistyizzy · 04/05/2024 18:19

Agreed which is why many private school kids are on bursaries of varying degrees. Incidentally these will be the first things to go once VAT hits. Bursaries like the one Starmer got to fund his 6th form private school fees.

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No many aren’t.

Only 1 percent of private school pupils receive full means-tested support and pay no tuition fees.
Only 7 percent of private school pupils receive a means-tested bursary or scholarship.
The proportion spent on bursaries is only 4 percent of turnover.

twistyizzy · 04/05/2024 18:46

Bibnle636 · 04/05/2024 18:45

No many aren’t.

Only 1 percent of private school pupils receive full means-tested support and pay no tuition fees.
Only 7 percent of private school pupils receive a means-tested bursary or scholarship.
The proportion spent on bursaries is only 4 percent of turnover.

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Tell the 20% of kids at my school who receive bursaries. I don't know where you have your data from but overall it is approximately 34% of private kids who receive some form of help towards fees.

Marjoriefrobisher · 04/05/2024 18:46

JessS1990 · 04/05/2024 18:44

I've never considered Liz Truss left wing, but there we go, each to their own.

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Yes, just type and see what comes out. Why not? It’s Saturday evening after all

Desecratedcoconut · 04/05/2024 18:46

TooBigForMyBoots · 04/05/2024 18:42

The tories, very belatedly , have started to turn back the tide on this - ill be delighted if they can continue.

Sunak is out on his arse the day after the GE. The favourite to succeed him is Penny TWAW Mordaunt. The Tory TRA agenda will be back.

Ooh, how exciting for you. How wonderful it'll be when there is no opposition to gender woo and when women who recognize that sex is immutable and important are completely disenfranchised.

EasternStandard · 04/05/2024 18:46

Desecratedcoconut · 04/05/2024 18:44

Aww Dawn Butler, the mp who trashed the Cass report before she even read it. Nothing to see here

Butler and co are one of the reasons why the 90s look long gone

Completely different calibre and loaded with gender beliefs

JessS1990 · 04/05/2024 18:47

Marjoriefrobisher · 04/05/2024 18:44

But at the moment, the Sunak government is pushing back, and much has been achieved. So if he wins, that will continue - one very cogent reason to prefer him over Starmer, who still won’t expand on his theory about women with penises, the little tease

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Sunak who has said that a women is whatever Johnson says it is?

Does Sunak's pushing back explain his party's performance in the elections on Thursday?

Bibnle636 · 04/05/2024 18:48

twistyizzy · 04/05/2024 18:46

Tell the 20% of kids at my school who receive bursaries. I don't know where you have your data from but overall it is approximately 34% of private kids who receive some form of help towards fees.

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We’ll argue with the authors of this then:-

https://www.pepf.co.uk/fact-finder/facts-and-figures/#:~:text=Only%201%20percent%20of%20private,in%20most%20cases)%20or%20elsewhere.

Fact Finder tool on private education - PEPF

You can search key information about private schools and education here

https://www.pepf.co.uk/fact-finder/facts-and-figures/#:~:text=Only%201%20percent%20of%20private,in%20most%20cases)%20or%20elsewhere.

JessS1990 · 04/05/2024 18:48

Desecratedcoconut · 04/05/2024 18:46

Ooh, how exciting for you. How wonderful it'll be when there is no opposition to gender woo and when women who recognize that sex is immutable and important are completely disenfranchised.

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Given how much Sunak has trashed the Conservative party, with the help of his predecessors there is going to precious little opposition in parliament to anything Starmer wants to do.

https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/prediction_main.html

General Election Prediction

https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/prediction_main.html

BIossomtoes · 04/05/2024 18:49

So if he wins

😂

Araminta1003 · 04/05/2024 18:49

I don’t really care about private schools but I care that they are coming in with one extreme policy as well that makes zero sense. Just like Rwanda crap or Brexit. And that personally offends me. It means I have zero faith left in politicians and the political system, regardless of what party they belong to. It is all about some emotive nonsense appealing to stupid people to get them a bit angry to care about something entirely pointless. It is like crap reality TV.

StarlingsForever · 04/05/2024 18:49

Marjoriefrobisher · 04/05/2024 18:18

Most children with SN are not educated in specialist schools. My DS was diagnosed at two and is in many ways quite profoundly disabled. He has always been in mainstream independent schools. Children like him need to be accounted for too in the plans.

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I agree with you on that.