To ask what you expect from Labour when/if they win the election?

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Just curious. I’ll be voting for them reluctantly but I’m not really sure what can or will be done about the state of the country. It seems we’re skint so they’ll just have to tinker around the edges.

To quote bill clinton. It’s the economy stupid

Only if they were to act in a bitter and self-absorbed way. Then sympathy quickly erodes. It's a normal human response. I started off feeling quite neutral about VAT on school fees. It's the posters on here and all the hyperbolic speculation and loaded rhetoric that has made me care less.

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Exactly and special exam requirements. 🤔SEN in the private sector is a world away to that in the state sector.

The evidence was clear in Thursdays elections that the public want change.

Yes - that's obvious - was is less obvious is what the change will be under next Labour government and entire thread was asking about people's expectations.

Mine are low - not because I'm not a natural Labour voter - I am - but because they haven't published their manifesto yet as general not been called and demographically and economically things are looking tough for the UK.

I worry many posters seem to have missed things that have been rules out already or assuming 90s comeback despite the obvious differing conditions.

Not being Tory is one thing - but honestly I'd like a bit more pull to voting for Labour.

They quite simply no longer represent the views of said peers. Hence the disillusionment.

Oh and they’re in charge of the councils (and have been for the last 30+years) in those areas and have run them into the ground so the cynicism is well founded.

Fair enough, but such people shouldn’t crack on that they want to vote Labour because theyre all about caring and fairness when in reality, they’re selfish bastards like the rest of us.

About kids with SN? Because of some MN posts??
wow. That’s quite the admission

I care, and we use state. I don’t agree with the policy for your reason and it’s just a poor policy

There’s nothing selfish about wanting decent education for all children and not wanting to see three million kids living in poverty.

But many middle earners simply cannot save that sort of money!

Well, my son was diagnosed with ASD at two. So well before any school of any kind was involved, but thanks for the charming implication it’s all a fake.
Remember everyone, Labour voters are kinder, better people than the rest of us

I actually think it is to Labour's advantage that expectations are low, when they deliver some improvements people will be satisfied, if expectations were high that same delivery might disappoint.

Of course it’s not fake. Bizarre accusation from pp

No I didn't say that. It's just aggressive parents who are self-confessed selfish bastards that I might take issue with.

If truth be told I believe that special schools should be exempt from any VAT on school fees. I think it is a special case and these DC have been failed by the state sector and if they have to leave and have no options that is failing them twice. I don't think that is fair at all.

If you read the post I was replying to, you will see I was responding to the suggestion that people don’t care about kids with SN in the independent sector because of the economy. Which is not irrational, but it does suggest it’s not all about caring either

@TiredCatLady you do know that the poorest areas have historically received less funding than the wealthiest ?
And why are these people disillusioned ? Are they Corbynites who are sad that the party has become more centrist…
Labour hasn’t been in power for so many years. At the slightest whiff of aspirational plans for the country they are quite quickly shot down as costing too much money. They can’t win. No ideas then they are no better than the tories, wide reaching transformational ideas where’s the magic money tree.

There really isnt. The most current estimate is 15- 20% of state school kids with SEN which = 1.6 million based on 8 million school aged children.

I think it will be similar but slightly worse (if thats even possible) I expect taxes will go up but I also think they will have to reform welfare. I don’t even see the point of VAT on private schools, it’s not going to raise that much money, it’s just very ideological rather than for any good reason, expect more of that sort of thing.

Most children with SN are not educated in specialist schools. My DS was diagnosed at two and is in many ways quite profoundly disabled. He has always been in mainstream independent schools. Children like him need to be accounted for too in the plans.

@Marjoriefrobisher well maybe, maybe not, but what’s for sure is that the current Tory government is cynical, bereft of ideas (unless they are pilfering Labour ones), happy to plant the seeds of division in wider society with its pointless bl*y culture wars, dishonest and quite happy to spread disinformation. That is obvious yes ?

Agreed which is why many private school kids are on bursaries of varying degrees. Incidentally these will be the first things to go once VAT hits. Bursaries like the one Starmer got to fund his 6th form private school fees.

Actually I do as well but point out it out on here and accusation of Tory voter come out.

Any next Government ( and it will be Labour ) is facing a host of problems and limited movability with finances.

Plus frankly I've found current Labour bench lacking in opposition with few exceptions like Wes Streeting - and relying to much on Tory's being a spent burnt out force with a dire record - maybe they'll surprise us during the campaigning and state polices and funding and all us left leaning voters can get excited.

I worry many posters seem to have missed things that have been rules out already or assuming 90s comeback despite the obvious differing conditions.

I don't think that at all @GingerAndLimeCurd. People are painfully aware of our current state and know there's no magic wand for Labour or anyone else. So responses from Labour supporters and others is muted and realistic. I loved the PP hoping for a boring government that will run the country. It is anti- Labour hyperbole that has driven this thread.

This. They're like kindergarten children instead of taking the matter seriously, stop pointing fingers at each other and just do the best for the country.