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To ask what you expect from Labour when/if they win the election?

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Welovecrumpets · 03/05/2024 13:41

Just curious. I’ll be voting for them reluctantly but I’m not really sure what can or will be done about the state of the country. It seems we’re skint so they’ll just have to tinker around the edges.

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longdistanceclaraclara · 03/05/2024 15:01

Not much, they're all still looking out for themselves.

Allnormalhere · 03/05/2024 15:03

Blackbirdsinthgarden · 03/05/2024 15:01

Yep - higher taxes for their own pet/woke projects. I would happily pay higher taxation if it could be guaranteed that the funding would go to schools/social care/NHS but it won’t. The NHS is on its knees, not fit for purpose and needs a radical change. Too many highly paid managerial/diversity jobs instead of more nurses and doctors. They will probably throw good money after bad and the higher taxes will be lost in a big black hole. Nationalise rail etc? Give more power to the unions? I am old enough (just) to remember the chaos of the seventies, when we had power cuts, strikes, our bins weren’t being emptied (rats on our streets) and the union chiefs were king and held the Government over a barrel. Do we really want to return to this? The Shadow Chancellor is an economist and even she realises that to fund all their promises they need to raise taxes. Great, if the taxes went to social care (a big worry for all parties) but sadly, it won’t.

First sentence spot on. Lots and lots of box ticking.

edwinbear · 03/05/2024 15:04

I expect them to take all my cash basically. Tax on my home, tax on my savings, tax on my pension, tax on the kids school fees and even more tax on my income. I might as well just hand 100% of my salary over to HMRC the day they win the election.

catgirl1976 · 03/05/2024 15:04

A complete disregard for women's rights

Allnormalhere · 03/05/2024 15:05

UltraLineHolder · 03/05/2024 14:37

I expect Starmer to roll back the one good thing the Tories have done, which was trying to put a brake on gender identity ideology.

Starmer let slip he has a trans child in an interview a months ago, which is why he's been so silent on making any noises about the outcome of the Cass Review. He's flip-flopping all over the place in whether or not men can have cervixes or women penises but once he's in I'm worried he'll go full Nicola Sturgeon (and male rapists are women etc).

This is a BIG worry for me too, especially with a teenage daughter. The pushback against men in women's sports/toilets/changing rooms needs to be HUGE! We are at risk of losing everything women of the past have fought for.

Allnormalhere · 03/05/2024 15:06

Meadowfinch · 03/05/2024 14:41

Judging by the comments above, the general election is not a foregone conclusion.

People dislike the Tories intensely but was yesterday just a protest vote? When it comes to a general election will people revent to the Tories, especially if mortgage rates have started to come down ?

I hope to God, Labour don't get blasé and lose it again.

I hope to God they do.

Massivescreen · 03/05/2024 15:06

Dreading it. Higher taxes, and they’re proposing ridiculous employment laws.

DressDilemma · 03/05/2024 15:08

Higher taxes
Higher school fees
NHS breakdown
Many many years of recession
Global organisations and talent being driven away
Women's right being eroded
Lower defence spends leading to volatile geopolitics

Allnormalhere · 03/05/2024 15:10

Grotbagg · 03/05/2024 14:50

Massive council tax rises to pay for pet projects
tax increases
the NHS getting huge amounts of money which will go on pay and extra admin staff but not anything on actually improving performance
anti semitism on the rise
hatespeak laws
the country down the toilet even further than it is now

And this.

Welovecrumpets · 03/05/2024 15:12

I’m really worried. I feel like they’re going to crush us middle earners while also painting us as bigots to appease students, and spend any remaining money on concessions to keep the vote.

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Bignanna · 03/05/2024 15:12

To sort social care out, and not penalise people with savings who go into care.
To sort out the migrant situation by speeding up processing, and setting a limit on the number of asylum seekers allowed in the U.K.
To overhaul the benefits system, so no one is better off on unemployment benefits than working, and overhaul the pension credits system

ukku · 03/05/2024 15:12

I expect women rights to go back 100 years if Labour get in. I'm terrified for children as their protections will be stripped away too so some children with mental health issues will be put on a pathway to "change gender".

I've never been as concerned about a change of government- and I know the Conservatives have massive issues - but we do have some strong women in them and the tories do seem to know what a woman is and realise protection of children is paramount.

Welovecrumpets · 03/05/2024 15:13

Bignanna · 03/05/2024 15:12

To sort social care out, and not penalise people with savings who go into care.
To sort out the migrant situation by speeding up processing, and setting a limit on the number of asylum seekers allowed in the U.K.
To overhaul the benefits system, so no one is better off on unemployment benefits than working, and overhaul the pension credits system

Tbh that reads like a Conservative manifesto, that just isn’t what Labour are about. Curbing welfare, limiting asylum seekers, allowing wealthy pensioners to have free care. They’d never get that through

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Monstersunderthesea · 03/05/2024 15:14

Welovecrumpets · 03/05/2024 15:12

I’m really worried. I feel like they’re going to crush us middle earners while also painting us as bigots to appease students, and spend any remaining money on concessions to keep the vote.

I’m not fussed about this. I live in Scotland and we pay £700+ more a month in tax for the privilege of living here. I can’t see our taxes going up any higher.

Moier · 03/05/2024 15:18

Nothing.. they never did anything good in the past. Don't expect it in the future if they do win.

Bignanna · 03/05/2024 15:19

Welovecrumpets · 03/05/2024 15:13

Tbh that reads like a Conservative manifesto, that just isn’t what Labour are about. Curbing welfare, limiting asylum seekers, allowing wealthy pensioners to have free care. They’d never get that through

I didn’t say free care! It should be fairer, especially as someone who has put nothing in the pot gets the same care as someone who is overcharged to make up the shortfall from the amount the council pay towards care.
The welfare situation needs an overhaul- there isn’t unlimited money in the Pot! Immigration is a huge problem, the present s cannot be allowed to carry on! Has Labour suddenly found trillions down theback of the sofa? If Starmer doesn’t sort these things out Labour won’t last long, as the things I mentioned are high priority on the list of many!

Bignanna · 03/05/2024 15:22

Grotbagg · 03/05/2024 14:50

Massive council tax rises to pay for pet projects
tax increases
the NHS getting huge amounts of money which will go on pay and extra admin staff but not anything on actually improving performance
anti semitism on the rise
hatespeak laws
the country down the toilet even further than it is now

Sometimes it’s better the devil you know!

Overthebow · 03/05/2024 15:22

Bignanna · 03/05/2024 15:12

To sort social care out, and not penalise people with savings who go into care.
To sort out the migrant situation by speeding up processing, and setting a limit on the number of asylum seekers allowed in the U.K.
To overhaul the benefits system, so no one is better off on unemployment benefits than working, and overhaul the pension credits system

You should vote Tory if you want those things, that’s not a labour manifesto.

Bignanna · 03/05/2024 15:23

Overthebow · 03/05/2024 15:22

You should vote Tory if you want those things, that’s not a labour manifesto.

What would you expect Labour to do, then, if they don’t sort the things I’ve mentioned, they’ll soon be out!

GingerAndLimeCurd · 03/05/2024 15:24

Things will continue just the same with Labour blaming the outgoing Tories for all their problems for the next ten years.

Mostly this - I think we'll end up with higher taxes whatever as so many service have been cut to the bone at same time facing higher burden of use.

Desecratedcoconut · 03/05/2024 15:24

I'm highly pessimistic of what a labour government will be able to achieve. I think that they will adopt a sympathetic head tilt and a rhetoric of caring but impotent to achieve anything different or useful within this economic climate.

Meanwhile we'll see a march of social progressivism to give the illusion of 'doing something' with the disastrous consequences on women's rights, safeguarding, freedom of speech and everything else it touches. See Canada. And with the landslide win predicted the opposition parties won't be able to mount an effective challenge.

So yeah, fun times ahead. What's worrying is that their own supporters don't seem to expect much more from them than I do.

Welovecrumpets · 03/05/2024 15:26

I’m really surprised I thought there was a lot of support for labour on here. Perhaps I confused it with hate for tories?

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Hyperion100 · 03/05/2024 15:27

It'd be nice to see a return to Britain under the Blair years.

Things just seemed to work and there seemed like a lot more optimism and hope in the country.

I fear the Tories have been following a scorched earth policy.

People will expect Labour to fix everything on day one and when they cant as there is zero money and the Tories have taken UK debt from around £1 trillion in 2010 to almost £3 trillion in the space of 14 years (Where the fuck has the money gone?!?!?!), the Tories will get in again and win IMO, at least 2 consecutive terms.

I'm expecting more of the same but hopefully with a little more integrity and honesty. Austerity, high taxes and tough times.

Allnormalhere · 03/05/2024 15:28

ukku · 03/05/2024 15:12

I expect women rights to go back 100 years if Labour get in. I'm terrified for children as their protections will be stripped away too so some children with mental health issues will be put on a pathway to "change gender".

I've never been as concerned about a change of government- and I know the Conservatives have massive issues - but we do have some strong women in them and the tories do seem to know what a woman is and realise protection of children is paramount.

This terrifies me too.

Bignanna · 03/05/2024 15:28

Welovecrumpets · 03/05/2024 15:26

I’m really surprised I thought there was a lot of support for labour on here. Perhaps I confused it with hate for tories?

People are fed up with the Tories because of their failure to sort immigration m social care and the benefits system. If Labour is not going to address those things as a matter of priority they won’t last long!

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