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To de-arrange the funeral?

255 replies

Funeraldilemma1 · 02/05/2024 16:16

NC but reg poster.

An old person I’ll call Sam recently died. They were the parent of someone I’ll call Bob. Bob was severely neglected by Sam right from birth - his practical needs like feeding and washing not attended to with neighbours having to step in, frequently told he was unwanted, banned from the house if Sam had “company” over, I believe Bob spent some time in care but was never removed from Sam’s custody. They went NC around 30 years ago.

Sam has never acknowledged Bob’s existence. Gleefully told Bob he’d been written out of the will. Now they’ve died, some of the admin has fallen to a relative of Bob, as Bob can’t handle having any involvement due to lasting trauma. The relative has ascertained there may not be a will, and is going to deal with the admin and paperwork. Relative has been informed by friends of Sam that Sam wished for a lavish funeral, and had lots of local friends who liked them and want to attend a funeral, but these people never knew Sam had a child as they completely denied Bob’s existence. Sam’s friends have no idea of the abuse and neglect Bob endured.

Bob and his relative are not willing to arrange a funeral. They have said they don’t intend to carry out Sam’s wishes and want to cancel any pre-arranged plans Sam may have made. Friends of Sam feel this is cruel and they should “be the bigger people”. As there’s no will, Bob is legal next of kin so in a procedural sense he does have the final say but who is BU?

OP posts:
MissScarletInTheBallroom · 02/05/2024 20:37

Bumblebeeinatree · 02/05/2024 20:31

Sam's money if he wanted friends to have a wake paid for from the estate so be it. If there is no money then it ain't going to happen.

Edited

It's not Sam's money any more, it's Bob's.

If Sam wanted a fancy funeral she shouldn't have abused her next of kin.

StarlightLime · 02/05/2024 20:41

Bumblebeeinatree · 02/05/2024 20:31

Sam's money if he wanted friends to have a wake paid for from the estate so be it. If there is no money then it ain't going to happen.

Edited

Sam's dead. It's no longer his money...

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 02/05/2024 20:45

CarterBeatsTheDevil · 02/05/2024 20:28

I have not read the full thread and appreciate you taking the time to explain this to me, although if what is said about Sam is true she sounds deserving of no more than being rolled into a hole in the ground.

Agreed!

SoupChicken · 02/05/2024 20:58

Whoever is paying gets the last say, as Bob will be the sole heir then that’s him.

I don’t necessarily believe in respecting the deceased’s wishes because funerals are for those left behind.

crockofshite · 02/05/2024 21:05

Needanewname42 · 02/05/2024 20:30

Given the plot is already bought is it not cheaper just to have Sam put in it?
Don't need to have a headstone or any sort of memorial stone.

Or cremate Sam, scatter the ashes, sell the burial plot to pay for the cremation.

FangsForTheMemory · 02/05/2024 21:27

Oh FFS. If Sam's friends want a party to remember her they can organise and pay for it themselves. Sam is dead and I don't see any reason why Bob should organise or pay for a funeral for the benefit of other people.

SwingTheMonkey · 02/05/2024 21:41

Bumblebeeinatree · 02/05/2024 20:31

Sam's money if he wanted friends to have a wake paid for from the estate so be it. If there is no money then it ain't going to happen.

Edited

The deceased don’t have possessions.

Efrogwraig · 02/05/2024 21:47

PineappleTime · 02/05/2024 16:22

Sam's friends can arrange whatever wake or ceremony they want, and pay for it. They can arrange the whole funeral if they want, likewise. But if they don't want that, Bob can do whatever you do when you want to pay as little as possible and hand it over to the council to organise. (Disclaimer I have no idea how it works but assume there is some council employee who deals with funerals for people with no relatives or friends?!)

No, council wouldn't arrange funeral. There are two people who can arrange it. They can just ask for a cremation, no funeral service. Not difficult.

Itsdeepitsblue · 02/05/2024 21:50

@Efrogwraig not sure if it’s considered ‘council’ but there is a state funeral option, where you sign over the rights of the deceased and ‘they’ make all the plans & just let you know the time/date of the very basic funeral.

TalkSetting · 02/05/2024 21:52

Funerals are for the living left behind not the dead. If she’s paid for a burial plot than she can have a direct burial or direct cremation and go in the plot. Her friends can arrange a service to get together if they want.

Itsdeepitsblue · 02/05/2024 21:53

@Efrogwraig who are the ‘two people’ you speak of? I’m assuming the child & friend. They don’t have to…

I say this because we had a young, unexpected death in the family and we were all broke. Looked into state funeral but felt to impersonal/sad to ‘sign them off’ to the state so we have taken on the debt. But if I didn’t give a shit about the person I 100% would of

FangsForTheMemory · 02/05/2024 21:58

It’s called a public health funeral btw. A state funeral is what the Queen got. 😉

Efrogwraig · 02/05/2024 22:06

Itsdeepitsblue · 02/05/2024 21:50

@Efrogwraig not sure if it’s considered ‘council’ but there is a state funeral option, where you sign over the rights of the deceased and ‘they’ make all the plans & just let you know the time/date of the very basic funeral.

You can apply for govt help with a funeral but you can't just hand-over responsibility otherwise we all would. The deceased's estate has to pay for it. Family is expected to do this.

AdoraBell · 02/05/2024 22:07

Bob is not being unreasonable in the least. The friends don’t know Sam well, they only saw the facade he presented. If they are so fussed about him then they can arrange and fund the funeral, in short - be the bigger people.

I hope Bob finds peace.

Speaking as someone who went NC due to parents being abusive, all I felt when my mother died was freedom.

PuggyPuggyPuggy · 02/05/2024 22:09

Eh. Sam's dead, and doesn't give a shit what happens to her remains. Funerals are for the people left behind. If Bob sees his responsibility as nothing more than waste disposal, that's fair enough, and Sam's body can get whatever the funeral equivalent of dropping off some black bags at the tip is 🤷

Bloom15 · 02/05/2024 22:11

Efh · 02/05/2024 17:10

Direct cremation organised by relative. Nobody informed.

If Sam's friends want to go and celebrate Sam's life, there's nothing stopping them. Oh, apart from the obvious fact that they want Sam's estate to pay for it! They can go and fuck themselves.

Exactly

Cheeky fuckers! I can't believe they think Bob would have anything to do with this

TreadSoftlyOnMyDreams · 02/05/2024 22:13

I'd fake a will and donate Sam to medical science so she can be of some use to someone.

Or the bodyworlds people

bodyworlds.com/plastination/bodydonation/

PropertyManager · 02/05/2024 22:18

Funeraldilemma1 · 02/05/2024 17:00

Looks pretty unanimous so far! Thanks all. I am Bob’s relative. I fully support him, I have seen the effects of the trauma on Bob and Sam really was a horrendous woman. “De-arrange” was possibly not the correct wording, I don’t know if Sam pre paid for any funeral arrangements beyond reserving a burial plot.

As has been mentioned, if Bob is the only child and there is no will, then following the rules of intestacy Bob is the sole beneficiary of the estate - Bob should be looking to apply for the permissions to administer the estate and ensure he gets his dues, not leaving it in the hands of others who may not have his best interest at heart.

PrincessOlga · 02/05/2024 22:20

Sam's friends can pay out of their own pocket...

No, didn't they'd be so keen then. Funny that...

Sam wished for a lavish funeral, you say? Is that actually down in writing?

Finally: if Bob is Sam's "heir", then he may have legal rights to the estate. I would advise Bob to get a lawyer and contact the relative, just to make sure the relative (executor?) apportions rights in accordance with the law!

NoBinturongsHereMate · 02/05/2024 22:21

no attendees other than FD and celebrant.

No point paying for a celebrant if there are no attendees.

Another vote for direct cremation (or basic burial in the reserved plot if that's cheaper).

Sam's friends can do and pay for whatever other parties, piss ups or memorials they like without any family involvement, but have no right to expect family to cater to their wishes.

ProfessorFJLewisThatsYouThatIs · 02/05/2024 22:26

Minister01 · 02/05/2024 20:11

As someone said upthread funerals are for the living not the dead.

I think the 9am slot is the cheapest at the local crem. Cheapest of the cheap. No flowers, hurst, order of service, personalised service.

For someone else to do the leg work, not poor bob. Bob should spend the day surrounded by his friends and family doing something he enjoys.

I agree that I wouldn't be wasting any money or effort on such a nasty abusive woman like her anyway; but is it possible to get away without even having a hearse? The coffin has to be transported there, but I suppose any large enough vehicle would do. Maybe that chap with the filthy, rusty old van down the road might agree to lend his services for a few quid!

I also agree with PP that, if they're the kind who told Bob to 'be the bigger person' even after he left them in no doubt as to what an abusive 'mother' she was to him (and there must have been clear signs as he was growing up), it's no surprise that they were her friends.

Funerals are indeed for the living, not the dead; and many people do find them an essential part of the grieving process and opportunity to show their great affection and honour for a dear loved one. If the dead person made it their life's mission to ensure that there was no loved one to mourn, then I'd say it's just like taking a manky old sofa to the tip in principle - just do whatever the minimum is above that to make it hygienic and legal.

Assuming no will does emerge, I wish Bob the very best and hope that he can use the scant compensation that he inherits to change his life for the better - use that woman's money to put himself first for a very long overdue change, after she never bothered to in life.

Can I also say that you sound like a truly lovely and wise person - bless you for the kindness and support that you've shown to Bob. Flowers

ProfessorFJLewisThatsYouThatIs · 02/05/2024 22:29

Not that it really matters, but I'm wondering if her 'friends' might be mostly male - possibly the ones who 'kept her company' whilst poor Bob was put last?

Needanewname42 · 02/05/2024 23:50

I'd speak to.the local undertakers and find out of their is a pre-paid funeral. You might as well use it, sunken cost no point in paying for something else.

You and Bob don't actually need to attend. And I wouldn't be paying for any extras or food.

Codlingmoths · 03/05/2024 00:19

Friends: But Sam wished for a lavish funeral!
you: well Sam’s child wished not to be severely neglected. We don’t all get what we wish for, do we?

MeTooOverHere · 03/05/2024 00:25

chaticat · 02/05/2024 16:20

If he's prepaid for the funeral then it should go ahead. If it's coming from the estate then yeah don't bother.

THIS! If he wanted a big funeral, he should have arranged it and paid for it while he was still alive.