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Humiliated by John Lewis staff

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FTMaz · 01/05/2024 21:53

Hi
okay so I know this will seem very trivial to some but it is playing on my mind because I think I am a very reasonable and polite person and feel I was humiliated for absolutely no reason.

so I bought a jumper from a John Lewis store (Sweaty Beaty brand). The jumper was in the sale for £65. I wore it once and washed it according to the instructions. I put it on yesterday and my Mum commented that it had faded, the jumper is beige but I noticed it had a big white patch where the colour had seemingly ran out of it on the front. As I know John Lewis is known for their customer service I decided I would take it to the store to see if they would offer an exchange, I still had the receipt showing it had been purchased recently.

I went to the womenswear till but the queue was massive (I had my 12 week old baby with me) so I went to a till near the shoes. The girl serving must have been about 17/18. I explained to her what had happened and said I wasn’t sure if I could swap it but thought it was worth an ask. The girl was very polite but said she needed to check with a colleague, fine not a problem. She returned with a colleague who didn’t even acknowledge me. At this point there was a now a queue at the till. They both turned away from me and girl number 2 started whispering and inspecting the jumper. This probably went on for about 10 minutes. Girl number 1 then turned back to me and said something to the effect of I’m really sorry but I need to check with a manager…I assumed girl 2 was a manager but again I said okay. She then called someone on the phone. I continued to wait and at this point my baby started to cry, girl number 1 obviously feeling uncomfortable called again and apologised, again fine as not her fault that baby is crying or that manager is taking a long time. So eventually the manager turns up and calls me ‘sweetheart’ okay a term of endearment but I am a 34 year old professional so odd of her to do. Anyway…she inspects the jumper and says she can’t see the white patch, I said to her I couldn’t either until I went into natural light and my Mum pointed it out. At this point I am starting to feel agitated and embarrassed as there is a queue, my baby is crying and I am basically being told I’m making things up so I say ‘don’t worry about it for the sake of £60 I’ll just have the jumper back,’ she then says to go with her outside the store to natural light to show her the patch…seriously? I reply no it’s fine I’m not dragging my baby outside I’ll just have the jumper back. Again she insists I go outside with her and I again say it’s fine I’ll have the jumper back. She then turns to girl number 1 and says ‘you’ll come with me outside to look won’t you’ so they both then walk off and leave me at the till with my now screaming baby. Sometime later they return with ANOTHER member of staff, so now 4 people have looked at this bloody jumper! The manager says they all agree there is nothing wrong with it. Now I am quite frankly pissed off and humiliated and say ‘ I told you I would take the jumper back but instead I have been standing here whilst 4 people inspect it, I didn’t demand a refund I simply asked if it was possible to do anything such as an exchange.’ She replies there’s nothing wrong with it. So I say (probably wrongly so but I’d had enough) ‘if you go on my account you will see how much money I spend in this store, do you seriously think I would make things up to get back £60?’ She replies again there is nothing wrong with it.

for context I worked in retail for years both before starting university, during and after (the irony is I actually also worked in that John Lewis 😂) I get that it can sometimes be shit and people are rude but I was honestly lovely and feel I was humiliated and spoken to like an idiot.

However I am also overly tired from the sleepless nights….so AIBU to wait to complain to the store?

OP posts:
Maverickess · 02/05/2024 19:59

Cotonsugar · 02/05/2024 17:58

Seriously? The poor woman is traumatised enough without a bit of gaslighting thrown in☹️

Traumatised?

Oh come on, I mean it's inconvenient, and w bit stressful, especially with the baby getting fractious and at a stretch could be considered poor form for customer service to not just be automatically believed even though the fault wasn't visible in artificial light, OP wouldn't go outside and the jumper had been worn and washed so always the potential for it to have happened then, and not actually be a fault at all, but it's hardly a traumatic experience that's going to scar someone for life.

Honestly people are so over dramatic around stuff like this.

HotChocolateNotCocoa · 02/05/2024 20:09

Traumatised?

Oh yes. Traumatised, humiliated - well, wouldn’t you be if you’d tried to return a jumper because of a mark you could only see in natural light and were subjected to the sheer indignity of being asked to show the jumper in that same light? How could anyone be so cruel?!

If they made Game of Thrones today, they wouldn’t bother with the walk of shame scene - they’d just send Lena Headey down to John Lewis with a pair of jeans with a faulty zip.

OlderGlaswegianLivingInDevon · 02/05/2024 20:14

so...just how many seasoned sales staff could not see nor find the ' fading ' and ' white mark '

on the worn and washed item ?

5128gap · 02/05/2024 20:31

Sorry, but I think you'd be unfair to complain. The majority of the stress in the situation was causesd by your embarrassment at holding up the queue and understandable upset at your baby crying.
The first three staff didn't know what to do about a fault they couldnt see. It's not a straightforward refund situation and they had neither the authority nor the training to give you what you wanted.
I don't think it was at all U to want to look at it with you in natural light given it was you who had said that's when the fault was visible.
Telling them how much you spent in the store was unnecessary, pompous and entirely meaningless to a company who would consider you annual spend with them as good as negligible, and just sounded like you thought you should recieve special treatment, so I think you were wrong there.
If I were you I'd contact them in writing with photographic evidence of the visible fault, receipt etc. Far less stressful and more productive than complaining about staff who sound like they at least tried.

Shortkiwi · 02/05/2024 20:36

JL’s service has gone down in recent years. Once upon a time each department had expert staff.
I went to buy a baby mobile last year when my grandson was a newborn. I chose a black and white design based on reviews. Online it said there were 4 in stock in store. I went to the mobiles and couldn’t see any. I asked a member of staff and commented that there should be 4 in stock- she commented that they had probably been stolen!! She went to check in the back and came back to say there were none. Being on a mission I asked another member of staff who had a t shirt saying baby product advisor or something like that. She positively didn’t have a clue as she thought it odd I was buying a mobile for a newborn who was too young in her eyes. I wanted the black and white model which was suitable for newborns which she didn’t understand. Again she said they didn’t have any. Lo and behold I went around the whole department and found them in a random place. I took the mobile to the till to be dealt with by the member of staff I had just spoken to. She commented that I was very determined 😂😂

helpplease01 · 02/05/2024 21:01

No! You were not. Write a letter of complaint. It’s was handled v poorly. I would have been raging. This is why the company is suffering. Basically 4 people tell you you are lying!!

Lambriniwages · 02/05/2024 21:18

I find it odd that in the bright lights of a store they couldn't see it . To be honest I think the staff did do a poor job there especially seeing that you had a upset baby with you.
I wouldn't of been happy to be told to go outside either that's crazy to me.

Oldtigernidster · 02/05/2024 21:51

I think you were treated badly and in your position I would make a complaint to customer services. Sadly JLP is not what it was.

MissingMoominMamma · 02/05/2024 22:36

Teacupsandrollups · 02/05/2024 16:48

I suspect the invisible stain doesn’t show up on film either.

Why would the OP make up a stain to go through all that for a replacement jumper?

gingerninja · 02/05/2024 23:08

Sounds like you took a heavy dose of anxiety and stress into that interaction which set it up to fail, they were trying to help you.

Kjpt140v · 03/05/2024 01:34

FTMaz · 01/05/2024 21:58

What was the white patch? Well my mum pointed it out 😂

im over the return of the jumper I’m bothered about the experience in store

I think she means it didn't happen. If £60 is so little to you, give the jumper to charity and get over the experience in the shop. The staff did nothing wrong.

Hmm1234 · 03/05/2024 07:21

Your mum sounds like a wind up. What a trivial thing to point out when you are overtired with a new born baby!!? But yes I’ve found with John Lewis staff it’s always 50/50 if you speak to someone helpful or rude

Catlord · 03/05/2024 08:27

Lambriniwages · 02/05/2024 21:18

I find it odd that in the bright lights of a store they couldn't see it . To be honest I think the staff did do a poor job there especially seeing that you had a upset baby with you.
I wouldn't of been happy to be told to go outside either that's crazy to me.

People saying this kind of thing and @helpplease01

Catlord · 03/05/2024 08:28

Oops sorry posted too soon, what would you have had the assistants do instead? I'm surprised to see this thread still so active!

Lambriniwages · 03/05/2024 09:20

Catlord · 03/05/2024 08:27

People saying this kind of thing and @helpplease01

Well I'm allowed to have an opinion isn't that what Mumsnet is about ,? Confused lol

Lambriniwages · 03/05/2024 09:21

Wow didn't realise how long this thread was tbh maybe I shouldn't of even commented 😂

Catlord · 03/05/2024 10:27

Lambriniwages · 03/05/2024 09:20

Well I'm allowed to have an opinion isn't that what Mumsnet is about ,? Confused lol

Of course! I was asking what you think should've been done differently

Wotcher · 03/05/2024 10:30

Calliopespa · 02/05/2024 16:51

I guess anyone who feels ok about about wearing a sweatshirt?

Sounds pretty grim to me, and enough to put me off. I don’t shop at Fat Face for similar reasons! Just find it off putting.

Lambriniwages · 03/05/2024 10:30

Catlord · 03/05/2024 10:27

Of course! I was asking what you think should've been done differently

No worries let's be honest it's just a jumper lol have a nice weekend

Cca · 03/05/2024 10:34

YANBU, this is a ridiculous situation, every partner should have access to the returns policy, like a booklet under the till they can refer to if unsure. Sale items can sometimes have different policies such as can’t refund but can exchange. Did the item have any tickets saying damaged(white patch) as the reason for being reduced and you can’t return it for that reason. Having 4 people inspect the item is bonkers! What a waste of time! The issue of not listening to you is just poor customer service, I sometimes wonder if the partners are being given enough training so they can make decisions confidently. Can’t refund it, but can give you store credit in the form of a JL gift voucher. Might be worth reporting so they can address the issue x

sulkingsock · 03/05/2024 11:23

Op i think what you are describing is shocking. JL has gone downhill massively.

jennikr · 03/05/2024 14:35

You are not at all being unreasonable for JL and their usual customer service.

Something has changed at JL recently, I think. I tried to return something faulty recently and it was a lot of hassle (I live quite far from the store and wanted to drop it off for collection locally or post it but they wouldn't let me unless I paid to return it). I suspect they have a new policy, perhaps because things aren't doing well.

Lookingoutside · 03/05/2024 16:13

Teacupsandrollups · 02/05/2024 12:34

I think you could safely put yourself amongst that number, @Lookingoutside

Mum?! 👀

😂😂😂

@Teacupsandrollups It’s words on a screen, Dear. You know nothing about me.

OP I hope you’ve treated yourself to a new jumper from a proper shop. Your thread certainly brought out the very worst of Mumsnet and I apologise on behalf of the weirdos who posted.

There are some nasty, angry people out there.

FTMaz · 03/05/2024 20:50

Lookingoutside · 03/05/2024 16:13

Mum?! 👀

😂😂😂

@Teacupsandrollups It’s words on a screen, Dear. You know nothing about me.

OP I hope you’ve treated yourself to a new jumper from a proper shop. Your thread certainly brought out the very worst of Mumsnet and I apologise on behalf of the weirdos who posted.

There are some nasty, angry people out there.

Ha I know!

I’m actually perplexed at how so many people have it so much time. I also didn’t know sweatshirts/ jumpers were so offensive. They’re a staple piece in my wardrobe! 😂

The strangest part is the people telling me I invented the whole thing…I mean give me some credit it’s a bloody boring thing to make up, I’d like to think I have a bit more imagination!

I did buy a new SWEATSHIRT….God forbid!

thank you for your kind words x

OP posts:
clairelouwho · 03/05/2024 21:28

You weren't humiliated.

You claimed that there was a white patch on the jumper that could only be seen in natural light. Predictably, the assistants couldn't see it in the store lighting so to see what you meant, they offered to take the jumper outside to see it in the natural light.

You didn't want to do that and made a fuss about getting the jumper back-fine, but the assistants went out of their way to take the jumper out and see if they could see the fault. They couldn't. In fact-only one person has been able to see this alleged fault.

You also don't sound like you were lovely, either. Going on about checking your account to see just how much money you drop in there isn't the height of loveliness that you think it is. Did you think they were going to check your records and go, "oh, no, she's not trying to con us out of £60 look at how much money she clearly has."

Just take a picture of the fault and report to Sweaty Betty. If the fault even exists.