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The trend of putting the boot in to the OP

174 replies

ZippyPinkUser · 30/04/2024 22:00

I’ve seen it here a lot more recently, there will be a post where you can tell someone is genuinely struggling and 95% will be decent well intentioned responses and then bam someone comes along and seemingly goes out of their way to be unkind to the Op.

anyone else here think they’ve been seeing that a lot more lately

OP posts:
Londontown12 · 01/05/2024 14:19

Yes it’s really horrible ! X

Ohlookwhoitis · 01/05/2024 14:33

ButWhatAboutTheBees · 01/05/2024 14:05

Thanks dear

Didn't realise trying to have a discussion was being a freak but ok!

You didn't try and have a discussion, stop lying. You ran and told the teacher and got my comment deleted.

BringMeTea · 01/05/2024 14:52

Mostly sad little incel/MRAs. Easy to spot.

ButWhatAboutTheBees · 01/05/2024 15:05

Ohlookwhoitis · 01/05/2024 14:33

You didn't try and have a discussion, stop lying. You ran and told the teacher and got my comment deleted.

What?

No. I didn't. Someone else must have felt it needed reporting.

And if MN upheld that and deleted it then your comment must have been inappropriate

Funny how you instantly accuse me of lying and call it "telling the teacher" when you're the one also criticising posters for being "mean" which is why MN self mods

ButWhatAboutTheBees · 01/05/2024 15:06

Oh please
Everyone who disagrees and gets called vile is not a man

Stop trying to use that as some sort of insult or shut down!

SurelySmartie · 01/05/2024 15:07

Someone has posted this or similar every 6 months for the last 5 years.

Ohlookwhoitis · 01/05/2024 15:09

ButWhatAboutTheBees · 01/05/2024 15:05

What?

No. I didn't. Someone else must have felt it needed reporting.

And if MN upheld that and deleted it then your comment must have been inappropriate

Funny how you instantly accuse me of lying and call it "telling the teacher" when you're the one also criticising posters for being "mean" which is why MN self mods

I was actually quoting another poster in the comment that was deleted. Listen we all know how easy it is to get comments deleted on Mumsnet. All it takes is one poster who disagrees with it and they get it deleted. But you know that don't you?

ButWhatAboutTheBees · 01/05/2024 15:16

Ohlookwhoitis · 01/05/2024 15:09

I was actually quoting another poster in the comment that was deleted. Listen we all know how easy it is to get comments deleted on Mumsnet. All it takes is one poster who disagrees with it and they get it deleted. But you know that don't you?

You were quoting them but calling me a freak by reference

I actually find it quite hard sometimes to get comments deleted unless they are really harsh (like the other day when someone started calling another poster a peado lover for no real reason) and that MN will leave comments up that a lot of the time

But again I DIDN'T REPORT YOU

KeinLiebeslied54321 · 01/05/2024 15:20

I think that some people ARE just horrible for the sake of it, however some folk also don't like hearing a different perspective than theirs/the majority.

LastOneDancing · 01/05/2024 15:20

I used to ignore the first 3 posts.
Now its ignore the first 3 pages.

People who actually want to help or give advice take a moment to think about what they're posting.

Those looking for the thrill of hurting a stranger will just leap for the jugular.

That's my take anyway.

KeinLiebeslied54321 · 01/05/2024 15:45

LastOneDancing · 01/05/2024 15:20

I used to ignore the first 3 posts.
Now its ignore the first 3 pages.

People who actually want to help or give advice take a moment to think about what they're posting.

Those looking for the thrill of hurting a stranger will just leap for the jugular.

That's my take anyway.

Sometimes the first three posts are the most honest answers, and they are also not jumping on the bandwagon of other's opinions.
I feel like some people are just here to be horrible, but there are still a lot of nice folk out there.

SOxon · 01/05/2024 15:46

Silvers11 · 01/05/2024 12:56

@SOxon At the top of every page, Above where it says Start New Thread there is a line of options in thin blue writing. The last one says 'Advanced options. Click on it and then scroll down to the option to find and enter the poster's online name. Yes - you can check your own ones there too by putting your own user name in

Edited

thank you !

ilovesooty · 01/05/2024 15:49

ButWhatAboutTheBees · 01/05/2024 01:29

I was going to say pretty similar to your last paragraph

It does seem like sometimes either the OP or a "do gooder" type poster will start calling out bullying and nastiness and say the replies are vile when all the replies are doing are telling the OP that their unreasonable behaviour (which OP insists on doubling down on being OK) is unreasonable and why

There have been some truly vile comments but MN does generally delete them quickly when reported

I agree. Personal attacks are invariably deleted if people take the trouble to report them.

KeinLiebeslied54321 · 01/05/2024 15:52

ilovesooty · 01/05/2024 15:49

I agree. Personal attacks are invariably deleted if people take the trouble to report them.

Yes, I report personal attacks too, and MN are pretty good with deleting them.
I do think some posters shout 'attack' when really it's just someone disagreeing with them. Respectful disagreement isn't an attack.

GerminateMyParsnips · 01/05/2024 15:58

Respectful disagreement isn't an attack.

Agree, but the OP is asking about threads from OP's who are visibly struggling and about responses that are not respectful. It doesn't take that much longer to tailor a disagreement so that it comes across as supportive, vs disagreeing in a way that is obviously going to leave the OP worse than you found them.

On that I think there are a lot of posters who, perhaps, do not genuinely realise (or care?) how harmful they are being. It doesn't take a personal insult to harm - even multiple people calling you smug or judgey is going to hurt if you are already struggling.

That's what I object to. By all means tell an OP you disagree. Tell them you think they are wrong. Tell them you think they would do better to change. But phrase it in a way that makes it more likely the OP will benefit from your POV, not be harmed by it.

(I mean the general 'you' - not you specifically Smile)

Vinesandivy · 01/05/2024 16:01

I asked for advice yesterday, had 40 lovely responses and 2 absolutely vile comments that left me very upset and I ended up asking admin to remove the entire post. So many of the users were genuine, helpful and lovely but the two nastier characters left me in awe. Sometimes I do wonder if people are ok, they must be really miserable to feel the need to attack others!

CheerfulBunny · 01/05/2024 16:01

I do honestly think people look for opportunities to be offended much more now. Perfectly good threads get derailed because of someone's offhand word or reference, usually not meant in a malicious way. There's an 'issue' at the moment which you can almost guarantee will turn into a pile on which is taking over from the trans issue, if you can believe it. Posters just roam around the boards just looking for people to scold. 'At last! There's something I can take offence at!'

Willyoujustbequiet · 01/05/2024 16:01

I don't know about the OP but the same posters always go out of their way to put the boot in to the disabled.

NonPlayerCharacter · 01/05/2024 16:01

CheerfulBunny · 01/05/2024 16:01

I do honestly think people look for opportunities to be offended much more now. Perfectly good threads get derailed because of someone's offhand word or reference, usually not meant in a malicious way. There's an 'issue' at the moment which you can almost guarantee will turn into a pile on which is taking over from the trans issue, if you can believe it. Posters just roam around the boards just looking for people to scold. 'At last! There's something I can take offence at!'

What's the issue?

KeinLiebeslied54321 · 01/05/2024 16:02

GerminateMyParsnips · 01/05/2024 15:58

Respectful disagreement isn't an attack.

Agree, but the OP is asking about threads from OP's who are visibly struggling and about responses that are not respectful. It doesn't take that much longer to tailor a disagreement so that it comes across as supportive, vs disagreeing in a way that is obviously going to leave the OP worse than you found them.

On that I think there are a lot of posters who, perhaps, do not genuinely realise (or care?) how harmful they are being. It doesn't take a personal insult to harm - even multiple people calling you smug or judgey is going to hurt if you are already struggling.

That's what I object to. By all means tell an OP you disagree. Tell them you think they are wrong. Tell them you think they would do better to change. But phrase it in a way that makes it more likely the OP will benefit from your POV, not be harmed by it.

(I mean the general 'you' - not you specifically Smile)

Language really matters, so does being mindful that we really might not know much about a poster other than their current post (and perhaps a few previous posts). For that reason I try to be mostly kind in my responses - I say mostly kind because some posters bring out the worst in me with their horrible comments/replies/nastiness (though even then I do try to be kind, admittedly I don't always succeed).

KeinLiebeslied54321 · 01/05/2024 16:03

Vinesandivy · 01/05/2024 16:01

I asked for advice yesterday, had 40 lovely responses and 2 absolutely vile comments that left me very upset and I ended up asking admin to remove the entire post. So many of the users were genuine, helpful and lovely but the two nastier characters left me in awe. Sometimes I do wonder if people are ok, they must be really miserable to feel the need to attack others!

Sorry that happened.
I expect there are quite a few trolls and/or folk with ongoing issues of some sort.
I hope the more pleasant advice was helpful.

SOxon · 01/05/2024 16:19

GerminateMyParsnips · 01/05/2024 13:04

Germaine Greer called it wounding for sport

That is exactly how it comes across - I may steal that phrase on future threads Grin

germinate it, in fact !

CelesteCunningham · 01/05/2024 16:21

CheerfulBunny · 01/05/2024 16:01

I do honestly think people look for opportunities to be offended much more now. Perfectly good threads get derailed because of someone's offhand word or reference, usually not meant in a malicious way. There's an 'issue' at the moment which you can almost guarantee will turn into a pile on which is taking over from the trans issue, if you can believe it. Posters just roam around the boards just looking for people to scold. 'At last! There's something I can take offence at!'

What issue? I'm wondering if it's what I've noticed or not.

Sparksi · 01/05/2024 16:25

I do report anyone who’s being unpleasant, too. No shame. Even if that’s all I do on that thread.

I’ve posted on here recently - admittedly to excess - as I’ve been struggling with anxiety throughout the first trimester with my rainbow baby. Feeling a lot better now but still have my worries now and then. There are a couple of users who pop up on all of my posts with spiteful comments along the theme of, ‘you again, you’re always posting’. I don’t know what they think highlighting that is going to achieve. They can just ignore it, but they don’t.

I saw a thread on here a while back about a lady who was unhappy with her family and wanted to go no-contact, she seemed in a really lonely position and there were comments suggesting she was the problem. Staggering!

To balance though there’s a load of good.

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