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Baby Reindeer creator is provoking his stalker

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jengachampion · 26/04/2024 10:02

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I’ll preface this by saying I had a male stalker for 7 years. I moved, changed jobs, and deleted all social media in that time. I’m also a survivor of SA, as well as assault after being spiked, similar to RG in the show.

It completely baffles me that he would completely replicate his stalker down to physical likeness, occupation, accent, exact correspondences and references like hanging curtains.

He is clearly not too worried about people finding the real person, as well as her potentially contacting him again.

If it were me telling my story, I would change all identifying details of both of us, because I would NEVER want to go through it again. RG telling his story this way is hugely weird to me and really speaks to the theme of mutual obsession he hints at in the show.

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Janiie · 28/04/2024 21:21

'But most think Gadd has done wonderfully well and that's what matters'

Some of course will. Many don't.

Mirabai · 28/04/2024 21:33

Itsnamechange · 28/04/2024 20:41

It’s bizarre that this thread is here on Mumsnet, with people spouting the kind of victim blaming shit misogynist men said about Epstein’s victims and Weinstein’s victims and Marilyn Manson’s victims.

Why didn’t she report it?
Why not block him?
Why are they speaking out now, they just want money/attention
Why go back after it happened the first time?

Throw in sympathy for the abuser and calling the victim a liar and this could be the female version of an incel site.

Well I think it’s bizarre that in a complex, nuanced case you’re taking a black and white tabloid view instead of engaging with its complexity.

If we were reading about the case as a crime report in a newspaper it would be open and shut. The complexity comes from outing the perpetrator in this a fictionalised version on national TV. She may potentially be dangerous, even if only to herself, as she is clearly destructive and also clearly very mentally unwell. Then there exists the different dynamic between stalker and victim that is typically seen in a male on female case. It’s hard to imagine a female writing such an identifying piece, I’m not sure they’d ever sleep properly again if they did. Discussion of how he behaved compared with the average female victim is valid as it points up different experiences of the sexes.

Mirabai · 28/04/2024 21:35

Janiie · 28/04/2024 21:20

Oh please. The female version of an incel site Confused.

I didn't see Weinstein's victims making a show where they masturbated over him, did you? Or followed him, or spied on him, or kept masses of voice recordings and listened to them whilst having a vodka in the pub while the restraining order was in place.

BR is a complete contrary mess and I hope the bloke is getting the support he clearly needs.

And fair play to him for having that level of honesty. It’s the trial by TV that is problematic on many levels.

Allfur · 28/04/2024 21:37

Mirabai · 28/04/2024 21:33

Well I think it’s bizarre that in a complex, nuanced case you’re taking a black and white tabloid view instead of engaging with its complexity.

If we were reading about the case as a crime report in a newspaper it would be open and shut. The complexity comes from outing the perpetrator in this a fictionalised version on national TV. She may potentially be dangerous, even if only to herself, as she is clearly destructive and also clearly very mentally unwell. Then there exists the different dynamic between stalker and victim that is typically seen in a male on female case. It’s hard to imagine a female writing such an identifying piece, I’m not sure they’d ever sleep properly again if they did. Discussion of how he behaved compared with the average female victim is valid as it points up different experiences of the sexes.

It reminds me of 'i will destroy you' - but I guess her attacker was less identifiable

Loafbeginsat60 · 28/04/2024 21:54

Having just looked at her Facebook it's clearly a hoax and she's spouting the same stuff with the same spellings as the show

It's defo made up and she's playing her part for publicity - has to be!

RecruitmentGuru · 28/04/2024 21:59

I know he had it bloody shit, it was hard heavy watching. I don’t want to victim blame but he really didn’t help himself at all. Two very mentally unwell people Martha and Richard. Just the worst luck that their paths crossed.

Richard did feed on the attention, he made plenty of decisions totally destructive not connected to Martha. In fact at times he used the attention from Martha to boost himself.

Uncomfortable viewing.

passtheajax · 28/04/2024 22:00

Loafbeginsat60 · 28/04/2024 21:54

Having just looked at her Facebook it's clearly a hoax and she's spouting the same stuff with the same spellings as the show

It's defo made up and she's playing her part for publicity - has to be!

Are you looking at the right one?

Ivory2233 · 28/04/2024 22:14

I'll save my sympathy for the people she stalked.

Ivory2233 · 28/04/2024 22:15

Loafbeginsat60 · 28/04/2024 21:54

Having just looked at her Facebook it's clearly a hoax and she's spouting the same stuff with the same spellings as the show

It's defo made up and she's playing her part for publicity - has to be!

Weren't some of her tweets from many years ago? Do you really think they set this all up years ago? Of course not.

kkloo · 28/04/2024 22:24

ExpertInNothing · 28/04/2024 21:03

Glad someone else can see it, but I don't think this thread is representative of women or even mumsnet. I think sadly some people's previous trauma has affected how they see the situation when the victim is male. But most think Gadd has done wonderfully well and that's what matters.

So if this thread isn't representative of women then which group is it that doesn't take mens abuse seriously and why don't you go and bleat on and on at them instead?

ExpertInNothing · 28/04/2024 22:24

Ivory2233 · 28/04/2024 22:14

I'll save my sympathy for the people she stalked.

She apparently sent death threats to a man before.

Ivory2233 · 28/04/2024 22:30

ExpertInNothing · 28/04/2024 22:24

She apparently sent death threats to a man before.

So I'm not sure why people are defending her or suggesting that she should get profit from the show. If the genders were reversed, would people be suggesting that a male stalker gets a cut of the profit?

ExpertInNothing · 28/04/2024 22:33

kkloo · 28/04/2024 22:24

So if this thread isn't representative of women then which group is it that doesn't take mens abuse seriously and why don't you go and bleat on and on at them instead?

Yeah I'm not responding to that kind of aggression and that toxicity.

Grandmasswagbag · 28/04/2024 22:34

Wow. The thread has obviously been massively derailed but some of the comments on here are quite shocking. It’s clear that some people believe men simply can’t be victims of sexual harassment or violence. Their experience and feelings might be different from a woman’s experience, or your personal experience, but it doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.

kkloo · 28/04/2024 22:42

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ExpertInNothing · 28/04/2024 22:45

Grandmasswagbag · 28/04/2024 22:34

Wow. The thread has obviously been massively derailed but some of the comments on here are quite shocking. It’s clear that some people believe men simply can’t be victims of sexual harassment or violence. Their experience and feelings might be different from a woman’s experience, or your personal experience, but it doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.

Sadly I think this thread has shown that.

ExpertInNothing · 28/04/2024 22:47

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Abusive language gets you nowhere. It's a poor look no matter what argument you try to make.

kkloo · 28/04/2024 22:52

ExpertInNothing · 28/04/2024 22:47

Abusive language gets you nowhere. It's a poor look no matter what argument you try to make.

As a previous poster said, you steal the language of oppression and then weaponise it.

Hence the responses you've been getting...they're not abusive.

You can't answer the questions. If it's not women who don't believe men then which group is it and why aren't you bleating on at them instead?

I can assure you that no one is coming across more poorly than you.

LynnAP · 28/04/2024 22:52

I find it all very bizarre, I think there is something extremely strange about it, if someone was as unhinged as she was and had so easily fixated on me for the simple favour of a free drink, I'd want to know they were either dead or in prison with no chance of release before I 'taunted' them like he has done.

Something doesn't seem to add up and it's not that I think he's necessarily lying (although nothing would surprise me) but there is something not right about the whole thing that I can't put my finger on

ExpertInNothing · 28/04/2024 22:54

kkloo · 28/04/2024 22:52

As a previous poster said, you steal the language of oppression and then weaponise it.

Hence the responses you've been getting...they're not abusive.

You can't answer the questions. If it's not women who don't believe men then which group is it and why aren't you bleating on at them instead?

I can assure you that no one is coming across more poorly than you.

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If you swear at people you have lost control and need to regain it.

I think most people are sympathetic to Gadd, but issues still exist when it comes to believing male victims.

Please learn to communicate more civilly.

kkloo · 28/04/2024 22:55

ExpertInNothing · 28/04/2024 22:54

If you swear at people you have lost control and need to regain it.

I think most people are sympathetic to Gadd, but issues still exist when it comes to believing male victims.

Please learn to communicate more civilly.

Please learn to stop being a misogynist!

Lalor · 28/04/2024 23:01

kkloo · 28/04/2024 22:55

Please learn to stop being a misogynist!

They are absolutely on a wind up. All the wanky overtherapised words they've chosen and now the sudden faux reasonable act

TheShellBeach · 28/04/2024 23:01

ExpertInNothing · 28/04/2024 22:54

If you swear at people you have lost control and need to regain it.

I think most people are sympathetic to Gadd, but issues still exist when it comes to believing male victims.

Please learn to communicate more civilly.

Please learn how to communicate without being patronising.

kkloo · 28/04/2024 23:03

Lalor · 28/04/2024 23:01

They are absolutely on a wind up. All the wanky overtherapised words they've chosen and now the sudden faux reasonable act

Somehow they got one of my posts deleted....which wasn't even bad in any way 🤔
But yet the MRA are allowed to post on here unhindered it seems.

ExpertInNothing · 28/04/2024 23:05

I reported one of your posts. It's not patronizing or sexist to call out abusive language.

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