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Abhorrent comments made about a persons height

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DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 25/04/2024 09:30

Calling someone who is below the average height, "pint-sized" is abhorrent
at the very least. A person's height is beyond the person's control and calling them "pint-sized," some may even say it's an ableist comment

Yesterday, during the PMQ's the lead was taken by the deputy heads of both Tories and Labour. Standing in for the Labour leader was Angela Rayner. She called the Tory leader, Rishi Sunak a "pint-sized leader" when she was losing the arugument

This reminds me of clowns at work who had nicknames for other people who did not fit in with their agenda. Often people will make disparaging comments about another when they feel threatened because of their own inadequacies.
Should she apologise for making these disgusting comments?

AIBU to believe these comments were necessary, inappropriate and disgustingly abhorrent.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/angela-rayner-oliver-dowden-house-of-commons-rishi-sunak-labour-b2533966.html

Angela Rayner aims ‘pint-sized loser’ jibe at Rishi Sunak during PMQs

Deputy Prime Minister Oliver Dowden countered the criticism by mocking the Labour deputy over her housing arrangements.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/angela-rayner-oliver-dowden-house-of-commons-rishi-sunak-labour-b2533966.html

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Notreat · 26/04/2024 10:10

There is no envy in my post about Rishis background. I don't envy him or his background. I don't even dislike him
I was pointing out the facts . Angela Rayner has worked hard to get where she is. You were the first to mention about him and his parents working hard. Well she and her family have worked just as hard as without the education or wealth he had
. It is also true that she has suffered terrible abuse from her opponents. She was even criticised for crossing her legs! Quoting an ex Tory Ministers description of the prime minister is not really on the the same level as the abuse she gets.
I don't understand your point though.

Notreat · 26/04/2024 10:13

Rishi Sunak also name calls too. He said Keir Starmer was overweight!

HauntedBungalow · 26/04/2024 10:15

IClaudine · 26/04/2024 10:10

You need to open you eyes and first consider those that have to reign in shame and still get life time pensions first- , lol - ok!

Eh, who are you on about? Truss? Johnson?

I was thinking maybe the Royal Family but who knows with this berk?

newnamethanks · 26/04/2024 10:16

Quality debate on here. School holidays already?

Notreat · 26/04/2024 10:25

newnamethanks · 26/04/2024 10:16

Quality debate on here. School holidays already?

I think many teenagers are much better informed than the OP.

katebushh · 26/04/2024 10:36

Oh grow up.

cardibach · 26/04/2024 10:37

BIossomtoes · 26/04/2024 09:43

How would this woman take it if someone made a reference to a facial feature?

My guess is she’d laugh and come back with a witty response. She doesn’t take herself very seriously.

Plus they made personal comments about her genital region and she just laughed it off.

JessS1990 · 26/04/2024 10:46

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 26/04/2024 09:30

Thank you.
I bet you that Rishi still "care"s but he can't do anything about it. I bet you it hurts but he is getting used to it as he knows the people that use name-calling in this was are weak and lack knowledge and skill to encounter a sensible debate

Did your hero Rishi accidentally attend those illegal parties that he broke the law at because he was too short to be able to see how many people were at them, and therefore we should feel sorry for him?

SabreIsMyFave · 26/04/2024 10:55

But Angela is right. 🙁

Also @DistinguishedSocialCommentator Have you taken steps to become an MP yet? You clearly know more about politics and how to run the country than most other people - including most MPs.

I look forward to seeing you at my door, asking me to vote for you, and explaining why I should.

VestibuleVirgin · 26/04/2024 11:48

IClaudine · 26/04/2024 09:31

So you obviously don't think Ange did anything wrong in throwing out a mild insult (that was actually a reference to Dorries' "book") about Sunak?

Excellent, we are in agreement!

Where did you get I agreed with her? It's a very rude remark, not mild, and while not hers originally, she did herself no favours by repeating it. Imagine the outrage if she had called someone fat?

BIossomtoes · 26/04/2024 11:49

VestibuleVirgin · 26/04/2024 11:48

Where did you get I agreed with her? It's a very rude remark, not mild, and while not hers originally, she did herself no favours by repeating it. Imagine the outrage if she had called someone fat?

You mean like Johnson called Starmer? Of course it’s mild.

leamington66 · 26/04/2024 11:49

Notonthestairs · 26/04/2024 07:00

@leamington66
You started off suggesting Lord Ashcroft comments were the equivalent to the ramblings of somebody down your pub.

I pointed he was a Tory peer so sat in House of Lords - that means he was able to vote on legislation etc.

He was also Deputy Chairman of the Conservative Party.

He also owns Conservative Home - set up to influence party policy although I'm sure his massive donations to the party carried more weight.

It's Ashcroft publishing house publishing Truss' 10 Years to Save the West. Etc.

It is true nobody has voted for him - that doesn't mean he isn't influential.

But anyway now you've moved the goalposts to Rayner having the nuclear codes - which as a standard is great news for every other politician.

And to be fair you don’t know who I go to the pub with.
I would put all politicians in the same group and hold them to the same standard and receive the same punishments

CuttingMeOpenthenHealingMeFine · 26/04/2024 11:51

My DS is quite short for his age and gets upset at comments about his size so I do bristle a bit when people say things like this but tbh it’s politicians, they are all as bad as each other IMO.

OneTC · 26/04/2024 11:56

VestibuleVirgin · 26/04/2024 11:48

Where did you get I agreed with her? It's a very rude remark, not mild, and while not hers originally, she did herself no favours by repeating it. Imagine the outrage if she had called someone fat?

It's very mild.

Small people, which he isn't even really, don't feel fucking disabled or put upon, it's a mild inconvenience at best and it will be remarked upon regularly and 99% of people, and particularly a slightly below average height prime minister of the UK, are impervious to it after about the age of 10

kittensinthekitchen · 26/04/2024 11:56

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 26/04/2024 09:24

So what? The fact is Rayner directed the comment at the PM. She knew it was not nice, clever but an insult re something the PM had no control over.
How would this woman take it if someone made a reference to a facial feature?

Name-calling used to happen in schools. Nowadays, people who lack the ability of a good debate often resort to insults at another person's appearance. It is disgusting

Name-calling used to happen in schools. Nowadays, people who lack the ability of a good debate often resort to insults at another person's appearance. It is disgusting

I'll ask you again - did you work for the circus?

ItsFuckingBoringFeedingEveryoneUntilYouDie · 26/04/2024 12:04

How ridiculous. I am pint sized. Doesn't bother me on the least but, and it certainly isn't ableist, because being short isn't a disability.

Sunak is pint sized in terms of his leadership skills, he is distinctly lacking in any. Seems like an accurate description rather than an insult.

ilovesooty · 26/04/2024 12:23

SabreIsMyFave · 26/04/2024 10:55

But Angela is right. 🙁

Also @DistinguishedSocialCommentator Have you taken steps to become an MP yet? You clearly know more about politics and how to run the country than most other people - including most MPs.

I look forward to seeing you at my door, asking me to vote for you, and explaining why I should.

That poster already thinks they can do a better job than all the MPs put together. 😂

L1ttledrummergirl · 26/04/2024 12:25

IClaudine · 26/04/2024 09:28

This thread is mad. The OP doesn't even understand basic facts.

Or democracy, or nuance in the English language.

mbosnz · 26/04/2024 12:27

If you're going to have a thin skin about being short, going into politics would definitely not be a good idea. It's something you need to grow a very thick skin about, and fast, just in life, whether female or male. I draw the line at people resting their drinks on my head though. . .

RenegadeMrs · 26/04/2024 12:44

Honestly can't work out if this post is satire or not?

BIossomtoes · 26/04/2024 12:45

RenegadeMrs · 26/04/2024 12:44

Honestly can't work out if this post is satire or not?

I think it’s subject to the law of unintended consequences, like all OP’s many threads.

bombastix · 26/04/2024 12:52

RenegadeMrs · 26/04/2024 12:44

Honestly can't work out if this post is satire or not?

It is serious. She paid her mortgage you know

IClaudine · 26/04/2024 13:01

VestibuleVirgin · 26/04/2024 11:48

Where did you get I agreed with her? It's a very rude remark, not mild, and while not hers originally, she did herself no favours by repeating it. Imagine the outrage if she had called someone fat?

You said:

Oh lord, our future is in the hands os (sic) a person with dreadful extensions

Given that you are clearly happy to use mild personal insults yourself in the cut and thrust of political debate, I assumed you weren't condemning Angela Rayner for doing the same?

I didn't say you were in agreement with her btw, but that you were on agreement with me.

Brexile · 26/04/2024 13:13

Everanewbie · 25/04/2024 09:48

Abhorrent is a bit too strong though.

Yes, and calling him a loser is just weird. He's a billionaire, heiress' husband, and the prime minister of a major country. If he's a loser, what does that make the rest of us?

There's plenty to critcize without resorting to ad hominems. Starmer's Labour seem to specialise in missing the obvious open goals while simultaneously scoring unnecessary own goals like this one. I'm a former Labour member and I won't be voting in the coming election.

IClaudine · 26/04/2024 13:21

He is a loser in political terms, though @Brexile That is why he is having to resort to desperate policies like Rwanda in the hope of winning back voters.

His party will very likely to be annihilated next week and in the GE 🤞