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Male Nursery Staff

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herei · 24/04/2024 15:59

My child is in Nursery after my return to work. They nursery chain have been hiring make staff recently. My child's nursery has 3 male staff.

My daughter's nappy was changed by a male member of staff. For my own personal reasons I feel upset about this but not sure if I can even say or do anything. I just don't like it.

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herei · 24/04/2024 18:56

@TitanTins I understand what your saying but it's not up to a nursery to provide role models. As my child's parent I will raise them as I see fit and make sure any role model is one that I allow into my child's life. My child has a father and grandfather who are both role models. Therefore how does them seeing a male nursery assistant a role model for a 1 year old.

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ARichtGoodDram · 24/04/2024 18:56

herei · 24/04/2024 16:28

I know my view is likely unreasonable but I just seen the make name against my child's record for nappy changing and I'm shocked by my reaction.

There seems to be some males on other nursery's they are trying to be more equally now I guess.

I don't even let other family members change my child's nappy but a male staff member I've never met can do this.

There is supposed to be a 2 staff member ratio but I've seen staff walking out of nappy area alone before. The baby room which is the youngest room, the nappy area is at the back and out of view. The rest of the rooms I'm more comfortable with as more open.

I want to cry I don't want a man touching my child, I don't want a man rubbing cream on my child's genitals

The main issue here is that there appears to be poor practice in place in the nursery, which you’ve witnessed

Thats an issue even if all staff are female.

Have you flagged up the solo nappy changing to the manager?

Desecratedcoconut · 24/04/2024 18:58

The fact that 98% of the early years childcare workforce is female and you have to go back to 2009 to find female sex abuser Vanessa George and that 2% of the workforce is male and in the shortest Google search ever I can give you a Burton man in October 2023 should tell you something about sex, child sex crimes and the risk of offending.

Thepowerhouseofthecell · 24/04/2024 18:59

I can empathise op because I didn't like the idea of a stranger changing my child's nappy at all, even if it was nursery staff (male or female) and I have a little boy. I was fortunate enough to be able to stay at home and sent my child to nursery potty trained when he was older.
He has had the odd toileting accident and staff cleaned him up, including a male staff member but at that point my son was able to walk and talk and tell me about what had happened if he wet himself at nursery.

In my opinion children should have key workers in a nursery setting and you should have an ongoing communication with anyone who changes your child's nappy, not just see a random name written down. If you've never spoken to this man it will be adding to your anxiety.

TitanTins · 24/04/2024 18:59

@herei

Yes - if you see the rest of my post, I do agree with you. I wouldn’t send my DD to a nursery with male members of staff who change nappies.

Starabella · 24/04/2024 18:59

You are not being unreasonable and you should be able to request that he does not change her nappy without offending anyone or being asked to leave.

When I was on the labour ward, there was a lady in the bed next to me who requested a female doctor to tend to her. When I contacted my GP surgery for a gynae issue, I was informed beforehand that the doctor was male and was given the option to change to a female. Hell I even had the choice to switch to a female masseuse at the spa once, yet you are not supposed to have a say on who changes the nappy on your completely vulnerable, non verbal baby girl!! She can't speak for herself, if you are not comfortable, you are absolutely within your rights to refuse.

herei · 24/04/2024 19:02

Has anyone who's worked in a nursery know if I can request this.

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HadEnough11 · 24/04/2024 19:03

Also some agency workers change nappies, particularly the qualified ones. Often as a parent you won't know who has changed your child's nappy.

Whoiam · 24/04/2024 19:04

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TraitorsGate · 24/04/2024 19:04

You can request it and see what they suggest, if they can guarantee it then look elsewhere, they have to protect their staff too.

BodyKeepingScore · 24/04/2024 19:05

DeepRegret · 24/04/2024 18:56

Honestly op, no I wouldn't entrust my child to that nursery.

I work in education by trade. When I was younger and naive I would be very outspoken about my super progressive views. I even questioned male members of staff who wanted to swap with me for pe so they wouldn't see the girls changing. In 15 years I never came across a man who would do this and they all point blank refused. Oh how horrid and sexist I thought.

Then I started working in eyfs and realised how difficult it is for children to communicate and how much self care they need.

Staff I had previously been at loggerheads with asked me to do my own safeguarding research. This coupled with having my own child made me realise my own feelings about equality are not as important as safeguarding children.

Male staff absolutely have their place in eyfs. But I do think they should be targeted roles and not self care (yes I know that means women will be left with the shit work, it used to annoy me no end my male colleagues never had to cover in nappyland! I now realise how that simple thing was a safeguarding measure).

For myself with nursery I wouldn't send a child in to a nursery where a male provided intimate care.

I also didn't send my children in till three and they could comfortably name their private parts, know what should be happening in a nappy change and which areas are private.

I don't let male relatives change my child, apart from my husband who I trust and has a proven track record of working with children. I don't let adults outside the immediate family see my children in the bath.

My husband was abused by a male babysitter who was deemed harmless by the community so he agrees with me.

I will review my position when 98 % of males don't commit sexual crimes. Safeguarding first. Social justice Feelgoods second.

Yes, I realise I will never take it down to zero, but am not putting a male desire to work in a low paid field dominated by women above my own knowledge on lowering risk.

And it's very annoying that posters always say how wonderful male eyfs workers are. Ime, it's because they don't follow the curriculum and just play Disney dad all day and ignore any professionalism.

So I'd move them. I'm a coward though so I probably wouldn't say why.

You wouldn't be happy with males providing childcare for your child yet your DP has a "proven track record of working with children" presumably those parents didn't have the same reservations you do then. Tad hypocritical that it's ok for your partner to work with children but not other men...

ilovesooty · 24/04/2024 19:05

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FFS.

TraitorsGate · 24/04/2024 19:05

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Effeminate?

CoralReader · 24/04/2024 19:06

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Because only women should work low paid jobs?

Trulyme · 24/04/2024 19:06

I don’t understand why you’ve started this thread OP.

If you are not happy with any of the staff, then take your child out.

You say they’re meant to do it in pairs but you know for a fact that they don’t always - this alone would be a huge red flag for me and I’m not sure why you think they’d follow your requests if they don’t follow the rules as it is.

BirtyDird · 24/04/2024 19:07

No point in asking people here, just speak to the nursery manager and tell them you are uncomfortable with it. Rightly or wrongly so, you are entitled to your opinion and request that the male member of staff is not to change your child's nappy. You can only ask and see what they say.

PostItInABook · 24/04/2024 19:08

Your kids are statistically more likely to be abused by the bloke you share your bed with. If you freak out about a male in a nursery or a hospital or a classroom…….Why bother with fathers for your children? That’s the greatest risk, so just get some sperm down the bank and be done with it.

TitanTins · 24/04/2024 19:08

@herei

I think just have a word with a member of staff, or ring them up. I think just as @Starabella states : you can request a female doctor as an adult, so you’d like to make similar request for female nappy changer for DD as a child.
Having worked in a nursery, we’d definitely accommodate specific parental requests with nappy changing.

CoralReader · 24/04/2024 19:09

Desecratedcoconut · 24/04/2024 18:58

The fact that 98% of the early years childcare workforce is female and you have to go back to 2009 to find female sex abuser Vanessa George and that 2% of the workforce is male and in the shortest Google search ever I can give you a Burton man in October 2023 should tell you something about sex, child sex crimes and the risk of offending.

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I’m not saying women commit more sexual abuse I’m just saying that it’s not only men. There are lots of men and women I wouldn’t be comfortable leaving my kids with

https://www.westyorkshire.police.uk/news-appeals/woman-jailed-nine-years-child-sexual-abuse

Woman Jailed for Nine years for Child Sexual Abuse

Friday, January 19, 2024

https://www.westyorkshire.police.uk/news-appeals/woman-jailed-nine-years-child-sexual-abuse

DeepRegret · 24/04/2024 19:10

BodyKeepingScore · 24/04/2024 19:05

You wouldn't be happy with males providing childcare for your child yet your DP has a "proven track record of working with children" presumably those parents didn't have the same reservations you do then. Tad hypocritical that it's ok for your partner to work with children but not other men...

Well no, mainly because he's my actual partner I've known for years and years and I can trust him as much as anyone. Certainly as much as a female stranger.

I didn't say the risk was zero. I lowered the risk to an acceptable rate. No other male in my family or anywhere else changes a nappy so the risk is brought down to an acceptable level for me, personally.

It's fine if you believe differently. We all make different choices using the information we have.

CoralReader · 24/04/2024 19:11

DeepRegret · 24/04/2024 19:10

Well no, mainly because he's my actual partner I've known for years and years and I can trust him as much as anyone. Certainly as much as a female stranger.

I didn't say the risk was zero. I lowered the risk to an acceptable rate. No other male in my family or anywhere else changes a nappy so the risk is brought down to an acceptable level for me, personally.

It's fine if you believe differently. We all make different choices using the information we have.

You trust your husband as much as a female stranger?

Marblessolveeverything · 24/04/2024 19:13

In our jurisdiction you couldn't as it is protected under equality legislation. As a SA survivor I do understand but I am a mother to two wonderful sons and I am crying reading the vile discrimination if they chose to have a career with children.

I kindly suggest you all engage with support. Because there are some of you who will raise sons and they deserve to be treated equally.

I hope you secure a solution @herei .

Desecratedcoconut · 24/04/2024 19:14

Marblessolveeverything · 24/04/2024 19:13

In our jurisdiction you couldn't as it is protected under equality legislation. As a SA survivor I do understand but I am a mother to two wonderful sons and I am crying reading the vile discrimination if they chose to have a career with children.

I kindly suggest you all engage with support. Because there are some of you who will raise sons and they deserve to be treated equally.

I hope you secure a solution @herei .

Oh Jesus, I'll raise you three boys and I'm not crying about statistics.

BirtyDird · 24/04/2024 19:14

@Marblessolveeverything I'm raising a son and it's depressing reading some of these comments.

PuttingDownRoots · 24/04/2024 19:15

You either trust the nursery or you don't
If don't trust a staff member, you don't trust the nursery