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Male Nursery Staff

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herei · 24/04/2024 15:59

My child is in Nursery after my return to work. They nursery chain have been hiring make staff recently. My child's nursery has 3 male staff.

My daughter's nappy was changed by a male member of staff. For my own personal reasons I feel upset about this but not sure if I can even say or do anything. I just don't like it.

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jannier · 24/04/2024 18:05

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Do you keep dad away from nappies and baths too just in case? Are male gynaecologists or breast surgeons just in the role for a quick thrill?

rainbowunicorn · 24/04/2024 18:05

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You've got that completely wrong. Many more children are abused by family members than strangers. Maybe you should get the basics right.

Majentaplasticglasses · 24/04/2024 18:06

I bet half the people on here who are against men working in nurseries, are the same people who comment that boys behave badly because of a lack of male role models 🙄.

I worked in a nursery, and our only male member of staff was amazing. He was arguably better than all of us because he had to prove himself due to the fact he's not a woman.

If I were the sort of person who was prejudiced enough to be worried about men being around my daughter in an educational space, I'd probably be more worried about secondary school or sixth form when skirts get shorter, there's less supervision and staff are actually allowed to have their phones on them etc. Not a nursery that will have CCTV in every room and corridor, and strict safeguarding policies such as no phones on the floor.

Not that I am worried. Because I'm not ridiculous, or prejudiced.

jannier · 24/04/2024 18:06

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Then you know some lazy gits that have been allowed to get away with not being a parent.

HcbSS · 24/04/2024 18:07

Disgusting attitude. Does your partner agree? Or is it just you that think men are sex pests.

Prawncow · 24/04/2024 18:07

You don’t think male doctors have been caught abusing their female patients???

sprigatito · 24/04/2024 18:08

Statistically @LambertndButler is right, the kids are safer if there aren't men around. That's undeniable. The question is whether the benefits of "male role models" is worth the increased risk of abuse, and that's for individual parents to decide. The issue of fairness to men and boys is irrelevant really. Childcare is about children's safety, not career opportunities for male adults who already dominate most of the labour market.

Samlewis96 · 24/04/2024 18:08

Inlimboin50s · 24/04/2024 16:57

I'm all for men working in nursery's and believe it's a great role model but I wouldn't want a Male worker changing my young daughters nappy.
But this is because my daughter was abused by her step dad and we have only just found out 15 years on when she is 25. It's sad I look at men differently now.

Was she still in nappies at 10 years old then? Can't see the relevance

Maraa · 24/04/2024 18:10

My daughters nursery is all female workers, I think I’d actually welcome a male member of staff. All the staff are brilliant but it would be nice to see a male staff member. My son was at the same nursery with same staff, and was apprehensive going to school and having a male teacher as he thought teachers = women

jannier · 24/04/2024 18:10

PietariKontio · 24/04/2024 16:49

As someone who changed my daughter and son’s nappies from day 1, and worked in childcare for both mainstream kids and those with disabilities, I can tell you exactly what my motivations were.

To support children to feel safe, confident, to help develop skills and self-expression, to help them socialise and have fun, to help them develop their physical abilities and build friendships.

as for my motivation for working with some who wore nappies or pads, well, aside from that was in no way a reason for doing the job anyway, my aim was to ensure health and comfort.

While its true that the vast majority of pedophiles are men, it’s just as true that the vast majority of men are not, including those who choose to work in care.

You protect kids and other vulnerable people, not by removing men from childcare spaces, but by having systems and processes that prevent abuse from happening. It’s not difficult, in fact with everyone’s vigilance it’s actually quite simple, in fact, in over 20 years working in care, none of the places I’ve worked in has had a case of abuse of any kind. You don’t hear about those places, however, so the narrative is skewed.

ilIncidentally, your child in hospital is far more likely to be murdered by a female nurse, would you like them banned, or would you just like proper safeguarding procedures in place to prevent it?

Also think of the last case of sexual abuse you heard of in a nursery, what was the sex of the perpetrator? She may have been manipulated by an outside man, but still, she did it, and she, whatever her motivations, was infinitely more of a risk to children than I have ever been.

Well said.

CoralReader · 24/04/2024 18:12

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Bullshit

Longma · 24/04/2024 18:13

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How old would you apply this, bearing in mind reception is still part of early years, and are part of a normal school?

I disagree that men should not be working in early years care/education.

Intimate care, including nappy changes, should ideally be done with at least 2 members of staff imo though. This, however, means more staffing which will mean more funding - this will need to come from either an increase in fees and/or an increase in government funding.

Whatifthehokeycokey · 24/04/2024 18:14

ScarlettOBan · 24/04/2024 16:01

The majority of nursery staff are female and they change boys nappies.

Would you be uncomfortable with a female changing your son’s nappy if you had a son?

98% of paedophiles are men, so I don't think it's the same.

CoralReader · 24/04/2024 18:15

Prawncow · 24/04/2024 17:51

I was abused as a child by a man who I know went on to work in a nursery (and a choir with young children, and also coaching children’s sports…sense a pattern

I’m sorry that happened to you. Paedophiles actively seek out access to children. It’s not a coincidence that they end up with jobs/ volunteer positions that allow them to get close to children. That’s why I’d be wary of male nursery staff.

Why is every man suddenly a phedodile
women can also be yet you dont suspect them .

CoralReader · 24/04/2024 18:15

ToryHater · 24/04/2024 16:45

To all the people saying move your child to another nursery, how do you know the new nurseries next hire won't be male? The nursery cannot reject applicants because they are male, nor can they change their procedures because they employ a male

And they shouldn’t.

Longma · 24/04/2024 18:15

The other examples you give aren’t changing nappies. Related males are much less of a risk than unrelated males. This is basic stuff.

This isn't true.

In a primary school some intimate car is required. This may be changing nappies for some children, it may be doing a full clothes change if wet/dirty, etc.

Children are generally more at risk from related males, sadly.

Firstworldproblemo · 24/04/2024 18:16

If the nursery doesn't meet.your requirements, for whatever reason, then move her.

But don't ask the nursery to stop.male.staff.chnaging the nappies. It'll put unfair work on other members of staff.

XMissPlacedX · 24/04/2024 18:16

My daughters nursery had cameras in the baby changing area, I was quite relieved about that as a first time nervous mum.

shattereddreams1 · 24/04/2024 18:16

HcbSS · 24/04/2024 18:07

Disgusting attitude. Does your partner agree? Or is it just you that think men are sex pests.

I really struggle with this. In a society where women are routinely heckled, harassed, sent dick pics and sexually assaulted by men. Where every single day there are stories in the news about men who have raped, killed and stalked women. Where 98% of people who have committed a sexual crime are men. When so many women on here and other sites have shared stories of doctors, teachers, gynaecologists and other male professionals assaulting them. Why is it women are accused of being ‘disgusting’ and thinking ‘all men are sex pests’ when, by the time we become mothers we are shaped by experience and become naturally wary? Even if that seems unfair on the rest of men?

There is a lot of ‘poor men’ sentiment on here. I feel more sorry that women have been socialised to be so wary of men through bitter experience.

jannier · 24/04/2024 18:16

IntermittentFarting · 24/04/2024 17:17

I wouldn't be happy with a man I'd never met rubbing cream on my baby daughter's vulva with his hands either.

I couldn't care less how unreasonable that makes me.

How would you feel about a woman holding your boys penis and scrotum ? There's actually much more intimate touching cleaning a boy properly

Crackalac · 24/04/2024 18:17

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unfortunately, I agree. it's just not worth the risk is it

jannier · 24/04/2024 18:18

Higglings · 24/04/2024 17:49

Op I'm with you on this, I'd feel unhappy too. I think you need to take your child away and find a female staff only nursery.

And tomorrow when they take on a man?

JanefromLondon1 · 24/04/2024 18:20

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HcbSS · 24/04/2024 18:20

And if the female member of staff were a lesbian? Should she have to declare that if she is changing female children's nappies? Oh I bet not.

MFF2010 · 24/04/2024 18:22

Fidgety31 · 24/04/2024 17:58

My son works in a nursery . He has faced this type of prejudice . It’s a shame that some people are so pathetically narrow minded
Equality is supposed to work both ways - but only when it suits some posters !

It's not about equality it's about safeguarding 🤷‍♀️ I'm sure your son's lovely but I wouldn't put my child in his nursery.