Male Nursery Staff

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My child is in Nursery after my return to work. They nursery chain have been hiring make staff recently. My child's nursery has 3 male staff.

My daughter's nappy was changed by a male member of staff. For my own personal reasons I feel upset about this but not sure if I can even say or do anything. I just don't like it.

No, the scale of offending, once you account for the size of the female population in early years childcare work versus the size of the male population in childcare work.

Don't you think that the fact so many women won't believe a victim can be abused by a woman means it doesn't get reported or it's brushed off. The number of cases are increasing not because they have only just started to happen but finally people are starting to think women can be evil too. Just like the me too movement.
Most cases people don't even know of because we're wrapped up in hating men rather than protecting potential victims.

Have you read the cases? Do they say the perps were transgender? Do you regularly read case reviews? Some of us have to.

The % being quoted in this thread of male offenders

It jumps all over the place

Well you'd be very silly if you did, because you must know that your experiences of being abused multiple times by female medical professionals, encountering multiple incompetent female doctors and NEVER having had a single problem with a male in those roles, is probably the hens teeth of patient experience. I doubt even the most enthusiastic misogynist could hand on heart say the same.

What cases, that poster was looking at the scale of disclosures made over the telephone. Of course I don't know if, how many were transgender.

How would you account for a radical rise between 2015 and 2016? Were women just particularly evil fom that year?

Or maybe it was when more people felt empowered to come forward...

Or can we dismiss sudden increases in male perpetrators for the same reason?

I hire babysitters male and female from local teaching college. All so far have been ones recommended by friends and are due to their profession/training Garda cleared. I am not a hypocrite and I am now at the stage where childcare is rarely required.

I expect it's contentious because some statistics will be dealing with sentences, some disclosures and some may be making assumptions about nondisclosed offending rates.

What, a huge increase in 2016. All of a sudden people are more likely to disclose that their abusers were women. What would be the catalyst?

Or because people are pulling numbers out of their arses

Otherwise they could link to records to back it up

If you are going to use statistics to back up this idea surely this could be done in more detail, based on research. Rather than blindly say men are more at risk of being abusers, why not create a profile based on actual evidence of sex offenders. Maybe the findings can narrow down a type. For example, if most offenders are over 5' 9, have blue eyes and are Catholic etc. That way the profile group could be excluded from the industry, allowing the majority still enter the labour market and also safeguarding children.

If you are reading that thinking, but that's unfair that's precisely my point. But think about why is it more fair to exclude a larger portion of population than a smaller more specific group, is it not the same thing?

Personally I don't think discrimination can be justified on the basis of statistics. This attitude was used for so long to justify class and race divisions. The middle classes say - look at these people, they are uneducated, maybe they are just stupid or lazy. Let's not waste our time and money giving them opportunities. And so 'those people' were marginalised, experienced poverty, poor education etc. Roll on a generation and they are more likely to be involved in crime gangs, abuse alcohol and substances and all else that comes with being in a poverty trap, and so the middle classes say, look at them, we were right all along and we have the statistics to prove it. And so it goes on, only now the discrimination is justified. Of course this is different, men are not marginalised I'm talking about use of statistics in general.

Changes in attitudes around this time? Cases making the news and making people think? Even news about male perpetrators can make people come forward about female abuse.

Attitudes have definitely changed in the past 10-20 years. When I was at school the idea a female teacher was sleeping with a male student was hilarious, he had a "cougar" etc. Now it would be rightly called out for child abuse. A male teacher sleeping with a female student would have been a dirty old man straight away even back then

What an amazing coincidence that it happened to happen at the same time as self id.

I'd respond to the blonde hair tosh but my eyes are rolling round at record speed.

https://fairplayforwomen.com/sex_data_wrong/

More reports than you could shake a stick at and the difficulties about collecting data.

In a timeframe of 12 months? Really, a societal shift in attitudes so profound that it radically changes the disclosure of abuse by women in particular in less than a year?

Does that sound right to you? Come on now.

So, one big case in 2016, so remarkably different that it is a catalyst for mass disclosure? But which didn't happen in 2009 after the mass reporting of Vanessa George?

Me Too Radically changed reporting but OK

That fact check says you can't be sure, you can make an assumption but there's no proof it's to do with self identification

Your prejudice is showing

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My statistical curiosity is showing. What happened in 2016 that was as profound as the me too campaign?

@statetrooperstacey
"... the set up of the nursery was such that no one was ever alone/ out of sight with the children. The only area that was through a closed door was the toilets and nappy changing area and we had a camera there."

I would be more concerned about why there was a camera in the toilet/nappy change area behind a closed door.

Have you looked at the whole range of abuse and into whistleblowing the number of young employees too scared to speak up for fear of loosing jobs or apprenticeships..in the baby being tide face down to a bean bag and dying staff didn't intervene the perpetrator was a manager with many years experience staff had seen her do it before and said she had taken against the child ...but stood by and silent until the lo died and it came to court.
Do you not think this is more about the power of the women in control dominating her staff?
We know women can be bitches a nursery is no different.
I think figures are much higher than we know.

Yes, I am aware that women, as I said in an earlier post, are capable of physical and emotional abuse. And, given the prominent role women play is raising children, that rates of offending in this area is high. The risk men pose as a class is far higher in respect of sexual abuse and no less high in physical and emotional abuse. They're a riskier bet on aggregate.

That was a bloody appalling case and you do have to wonder about how a culture of casual cruelty can emerge like that. I'd like to know more about that. But as it pertains to sex and risk, I'm not sure it does. But I'd happily look at anything you have that suggests otherwise.

It was the first time a national census was run asking specific questions of adults and their abuse as a child, see crime survey England and Wales 2016.

@Desecratedcoconut is right. Obviously! You just have to look - not only at UK statistics, but statistics around the globe. It’s the same across Europe, Australia, America - men are more likely to commit rape, abuse and murder. Far more likely.
Finding exceptions/anecdotal evidence doesn’t disprove this fact. Women are capable of doing awful things too - but it’s men who are overwhelmingly the main perpetrators.

And from this BBC Science article a reason could be because because:
“Evolutionary psychologists, however, would say that it has more to do with our evolved sex differences and the fact that males have historically competed for status and access to females.”
Which - if you look at the very male dominated situation in the Middle East right now, is exactly what is happening. It’s males competing for status.