Right wing thugs 'protecting the flag' on St George's Day

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Cruella's boot boys out on the street again protecting our British freedoms in their usual brutish fashion with violent disorder. She must feel very proud.

Would it hurt to maybe take a minute or two to think about why they seem so angry? I’m not saying they are right and quite obviously there are racist elements but it’s hard to see how any other group of protestors would be so roundly insulted and dismissed as this lot here.

I think everyone should reflect on why for example Brexit happened, on both sides.

I’m not sure about that either given the other EU countries are struggling with Med crossings

I'd imagine most are angry for the same reasons as the rest of us are i.e., because our quality of living is diminishing and inequality is worsening.

The problem is those on the right refuse to hold those responsible for this to account and instead look to punch down.

Immigration is the perfect example. They often claim they're worried about the impact of mass migration on public services and infrastructure, which is a fair concern. But what do they do to address it? That's right, they elect a party who's entite political philosophy supports mass migration. The same party who have overseen a 250% increase in net migration since they took office, decimated public services and refused to invest in infrastructure.

And who do they blame for this? The people in power who made the decisions? Of course not. The people who keep believing the lies and spin? Don't be daft. No, it's the fault of the 45000 or so asylum seekers and the 'looney left'.

But let's not pretend that the people on those marches yesterday care about any of the things aboce. For them it's all about race and 'culture'.

If you asked them whether they're bothered about a white person from Melbourne or Kansas moving to Manchester or Kent they wouldn't give a shit. Their objection is purely focused on brown people. That's why they're so bothered about the 45,000 or so 'boat people' while ignoring the 1,200,000 legal migrants the tories gave leave to last year.

The right believes in ambition and personal responsibility which the left counters is simply greed and selfishness.

The left believes in equality and fairness which the right counters as simply envy and economically unviable.

@Thebestwaytoscareatory actually I think a lot of working class people are very angry (rightly) with this government and I’m sure we will see this at the election.

I can’t agree about the skin colour, it was the impact of mass immigration from Eastern Europe which was a key driver behind Brexit in many areas.

OMG, the flag of England. Terrifying 🙄.

If only the police were as vigorous about policing the hate marches.

The video clips from the incident refered to in the OP, did seem to show the police dealing calmly with people who were filled with hate.

Are those the hate marchers you are refereing to.

In London, yes.

Before Brexit we had the right under EU law to send them back to the country they arrived from (i.e. France).

We've kept immigration levels far too high which is ultimately a choice. This is via legal routes (visas etc).

But we do need some immigration per year. There's a big difference between tens of thousands and hundreds of thousands though. The latter is not sustainable.

All the Rwanda nonsense is a distraction from the fact this government are still letting in around a million people a year via legal routes.

There is definitely an educated discussion to be had about immigration. Though our rules are tougher than some may think. It is possible to have a debate without resorting to racist tropes though.

You are right that there are significant issues that do need addressing. I have seen first hand however the violence and aggression stoked and perpetuated by this particular sun population. I am afraid I won’t be listening to racist thugs. I’ll listen to any perspective but I won’t tolerate racism. It’s unacceptable.

I've posted loads of stats!

It's not about discrimination. It's just about recognising that some cultures are extremely patriarchal in comparison to western Europe and that there can be problems with mass integration.

One of the ringleaders of the Rotherham scandal said "All white women are only good for one thing — for men like me to fuck and use like trash.” Like it or not, there is a racial element here and ignoring it as the police have consistently done is not helping anybody but the perpetrators.

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Did it need such robust and baton ready policing? Seems unnecessary from the police, compared to the kid gloves treatment other cultures get on their gatherings.

The Palestine protestors suck to their agreed routes, the St. George protestors (?) ignored instructions to stop at the agreed place and were then aggressive towards the Police. It's not a matter of the Police being "woke" and simply targeting White people and ignoring non-Whites.

Yes I hate racism too, including the Swastikas displayed on some of the pro Palestine marches while Police do nothing. Apparently swastikas depend on “context”.

I'm curious to hear the thoughts of the posters that repeatedly asked me to provide stats now that I've posted them.

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Also very interested in their responses. Awful when cold hard facts don't suit your narrative isn't it?

Which posts? It this because I called you a whalloper? Imagine being so thin skinned 🤣

No don’t be silly. I would not report that juvenile nonsense. I presume that childish comment is still there, don’t worry. I don’t even know what that insult means, have you spelt it correctly?

Some of your earlier racist posts have gone. Take a look. I didn’t report you but someone clearly did.

Well I’m in work but I never asked you for stats

i think sexual violence is a male issue if that helps

There have been threads and posts removed on this topic at other times which doesn’t help women

Maybe posters tried for this time but it looks like Mnhq will allow women to talk about stats

Yes, it's a male issue but it's naive to suggest that there aren't huge variations in the cultural views and practices of different groups of men.

Maybe these flag waving thugs are 'a British issue'. Would you be happy to be lumped in with them?

I would need to see evidence of that to believe it

Here are some of the stats in a more streamlined fashion as they were kind of lost amongst the bulk of my previous posts. I don't know how anybody that calls themselves a feminist can read them and then actively try and dismiss them. At the very least I think they explain why some people are not thrilled to have these men arriving in huge numbers without any effective vetting.

Immigrants from “non-Western countries” making up 5-6% of the Danish population but accounting for 34% of convictions for rape and 11% of convictions for sex offenses.

Three-quarters of gang-rape cases heard in Swedish courts between July 2012 and December 2017 being committed by foreign-born men with 30% being asylum seekers.

In Germany, asylum seekers constituting only 1 or 2 percent of the population but being "disproportionately responsible for sex crimes included in the statistics, making up nearly 12 percent of suspects by 2018,” and responsible for 16.3 percent of grievous sex crimes, such as rape.

Between a quarter and a third of suspects committing sex crimes in Austria being foreign-born, yet only 19.4% of the population being foreign-born with only 1.2% being born in Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria—among the largest sources of asylum seekers.