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Right wing thugs 'protecting the flag' on St George's Day

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newnamethanks · 23/04/2024 22:41

Cruella's boot boys out on the street again protecting our British freedoms in their usual brutish fashion with violent disorder. She must feel very proud.

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GoldenTrout · 25/04/2024 07:49

Ohgollymolly · 25/04/2024 06:41

Oh come on wake up.

You are being conditioned by main stream media to believe all of this. No other country is made to be embarrassed about its heritage. Why has the St George’s flag been made to look like something dirty?!

If you all hate it so much there’s plenty of other counties you can go to. Perhaps one still in the EU seeing as you all love it so much.

Who do you claim hates the flag? They're flown all over the place in the run-up to St George's Day and things like big sports tournaments, and no-one is going round pulling them down.

What people dislike is the flag being misappropriated by right wing thugs and used as an excuse for bigotry and intimidation. Can you not see that?

User135644 · 25/04/2024 08:05

Livelovebehappy · 24/04/2024 20:30

The thing is, it’s only on MN where a majority think it’s absolutely fine to let thousands of economic migrants come to the UK - open borders and all that. In the real world, a majority of people don’t want it. Generally, people who champion it are usually nicely set up in their own homes, use private schooling and private health care, don’t live in the towns where it’s a problem. These people just can’t see that we can’t pull houses out of our arses. People born here can’t get a house, they have to live in temporary accommodation for years before getting somewhere to call home. Those who use NHS can’t get appointments, have to wait for years for operations. Schools are bursting. So why would anyone with a brain cell actually think it’s okay to allow thousands of extra people into the country? Bonkers….

That's a bit naive, services would collapse even more without immigration - we need the workers.

The issue is it needs to be controlled and via official channels (worker visas and the like). The hordes arriving on boats and then having to house them is an added problem we obviously don't need or want. We need to keep a lid on the numbers of legal migration but we aren't doing that - that was meant to be the point of Brexit.

An ageing population is the issue and increasing amount of working age Britons don't work.

User135644 · 25/04/2024 08:24

Louloulouenna · 24/04/2024 22:12

Most BLM protestors in the UK and Europe and many other countries were white!

The point was how much differently the BLM protests (or the Palestine ones) were/are treated by police compared to ones like the other day. They were allowed to desecrate the cenotaph and cause havoc (during a lockdown) while police offers kneeled. but of course when counter protesters arrived the next week to protect the cenotaph the police were heavy handed with them.

2dogsandabudgie · 25/04/2024 08:33

User135644 · 25/04/2024 08:05

That's a bit naive, services would collapse even more without immigration - we need the workers.

The issue is it needs to be controlled and via official channels (worker visas and the like). The hordes arriving on boats and then having to house them is an added problem we obviously don't need or want. We need to keep a lid on the numbers of legal migration but we aren't doing that - that was meant to be the point of Brexit.

An ageing population is the issue and increasing amount of working age Britons don't work.

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Well if increasing amounts of working age people aren't in employment we need to concentrate on why that is. The answer isn't allowing uncontrolled immigration. That's just creating more problems.

Hoppinggreen · 25/04/2024 08:44

So are those St George Day celebrants in the photo just loveable working class people who are doing nothing wrong but loving our country OR are they rioting because we have too many brown people here?
Many posters are trying to claim its both - they are doing nothing wrong but if they are its not their fault, its the fault of the woke lefties

Sofiabella · 25/04/2024 08:50

Hoppinggreen · 25/04/2024 08:44

So are those St George Day celebrants in the photo just loveable working class people who are doing nothing wrong but loving our country OR are they rioting because we have too many brown people here?
Many posters are trying to claim its both - they are doing nothing wrong but if they are its not their fault, its the fault of the woke lefties

Wasn't even approaching a riot 🤣 disturbance at best. Google 2011 London riots or BLM riots for comparison.

Imgoingandnevercomingback · 25/04/2024 08:53

MarioIa · 25/04/2024 04:45

I'm not getting into this game of running around answering a million questions. It's a common mumsnet diversionary tactic and rarely used in good faith - usually to try and pick holes in an argument/derail.

I've got a question for you, though....

We have incontrovertible evidence of no less than 1200 sexual assaults being carried out in one single night by men described as "foreign"/"North African"/"dark skinned". An assault that echoes the practice known in Arabic as 'taharrush gamea'.

Find me an example where even 600 sexual assaults were carried out in one night by men described as "European"/"white"/etc.

And maybe also have a think about what you're trying to downplay. The single biggest instance of sexual assault in our lifetimes, possibly since antiquity. An event which was already brushed under the carpet by the police along with several smaller mass assaults.

Are you really trying to brush this under the carpet as a woman? Not just ignore it but actively shut down discussion and be a rape apologist? How would you feel if it happened again and another 1200 women were traumatised?

What you are describing is truly horrific. But, you can’t then extrapolate it out to prove that men with brown skin, from other countries, commit more sexual crimes than white men, born here, without giving evidence. Of course some brown skinned men that come here commit hideous crimes, so do white men born here. Is there clear evidence that one group commits more crime than the other?

You can’t make throw away comments, that are potentially inciting racial hatred, with such certainty and then moan when you are asked to prove your claim.

User135644 · 25/04/2024 08:53

Hoppinggreen · 25/04/2024 08:44

So are those St George Day celebrants in the photo just loveable working class people who are doing nothing wrong but loving our country OR are they rioting because we have too many brown people here?
Many posters are trying to claim its both - they are doing nothing wrong but if they are its not their fault, its the fault of the woke lefties

They didn't do anything. The police were just heavy handed.

Hoppinggreen · 25/04/2024 08:54

Its not difficult to work out what some Posters on here are
Rioting is bad - Black people do it too
Slavery is bad - Black people do it too

User135644 · 25/04/2024 08:56

2dogsandabudgie · 25/04/2024 08:33

Well if increasing amounts of working age people aren't in employment we need to concentrate on why that is. The answer isn't allowing uncontrolled immigration. That's just creating more problems.

It not uncontrolled though. It's up to us how many visas we grant.

Nobody wants the boats coming in but that's another Brexit bonus.

Louloulouenna · 25/04/2024 08:58

@User135644I agree with you - I was replying to posters saying that by referring to the BLM protestors people were somehow blaming “black and brown people”. In the university town I live in the single largest group of BLM protestors were white private school students.

User135644 · 25/04/2024 09:02

Louloulouenna · 25/04/2024 08:58

@User135644I agree with you - I was replying to posters saying that by referring to the BLM protestors people were somehow blaming “black and brown people”. In the university town I live in the single largest group of BLM protestors were white private school students.

Yeah, it's not about what ethnicity the protesters were, just the difference in how protests/disturbances were policed. One week in particular they were running riot in London while police officers were literally running away or kneeling.

Hoppinggreen · 25/04/2024 09:53

User135644 · 25/04/2024 09:02

Yeah, it's not about what ethnicity the protesters were, just the difference in how protests/disturbances were policed. One week in particular they were running riot in London while police officers were literally running away or kneeling.

Police Officers in The Uk were kneeling at BLM protests instead of properly policing them?

cardibach · 25/04/2024 11:05

Thepeppapigfanclub · 24/04/2024 20:04

When you see what this does to your local area, you'll think differently.

I live in an area with significant numbers of refugees and asylum seekers. I teach many. I do social events with others. My area is fine, thanks.

cardibach · 25/04/2024 11:06

Thepeppapigfanclub · 24/04/2024 20:06

All of you do-gooders want to think long and hard - because you're going to be very sorry. WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

When did wanting to do good become a negative? Listen to yourself.

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RidgeBBQ · 25/04/2024 12:19

EasternStandard · 25/04/2024 06:01

Plenty of stats for the pp who requested them. It does sound concerning

Just out of interest, is it all kinds of groups you are prejudiced against or is it only certain types? I see you.

EasternStandard · 25/04/2024 12:28

RidgeBBQ · 25/04/2024 12:19

Just out of interest, is it all kinds of groups you are prejudiced against or is it only certain types? I see you.

Oh dear. I see stats are unwelcome. I can see why women must not bring them up. It’s often the case with threads on the topic. ‘I see you’ is that how it goes wrt women

It doesn’t matter the reaction, they are evidenced or do you dispute them?

user411966691966 · 25/04/2024 12:42

Nobody wants the boats coming in but that's another Brexit bonus.

@User135644 what do the boats have to do with Brexit?

molotovcupcakes · 25/04/2024 12:43

User135644 · 25/04/2024 08:05

That's a bit naive, services would collapse even more without immigration - we need the workers.

The issue is it needs to be controlled and via official channels (worker visas and the like). The hordes arriving on boats and then having to house them is an added problem we obviously don't need or want. We need to keep a lid on the numbers of legal migration but we aren't doing that - that was meant to be the point of Brexit.

An ageing population is the issue and increasing amount of working age Britons don't work.

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I used to believe this and the low birthrate is concerning but I do worry about the social cohesion of the Nation. At every election the population has voted to lower immigration but whatever party is in power this is ignored and rates of immigration last year have been running at a million a year. It has been seen as a quick fix for the economy.

Women who come to the UK tend to have just one or two children as well as it is more housing and high costs of living that determines family size.

Other countries with low birthrates such as Japan have decided not to allow immigration as they want to preserve their culture and deal with it by with different strategies and it seems like we are not allowed to have a conversation on this topic without being accused of being 'far right.'

Thebestwaytoscareatory · 25/04/2024 12:47

Louloulouenna · 24/04/2024 16:33

Wow the open derision of the British white working class on this thread is quite something.

It's not derision for British white working class as this small subsect of people do not in any way shape or form represent the vast majority of British white working class people.

As a white working class person myself I take extreme offense to being lumped in with those bigoted arseholes.

I find it equal parts ironic, depressing and funny when supporters of right wing bigots get all ranty about this sort of thing.

They're always happy to call for the rights of other groups to be curtailed, for police to 'get tough' on things they don't like and to ridicule and belittle people with opposing views. Yet, when they're on the receiving end of what they dish out suddenly it's an 'attack on our culture and right to free speech'.

I wonder if any of the people posting in their defence could articulate just what it is they mean when they talk about English or British culture and explain how yesterday's events celebrated or promoted that exactly?