Right wing thugs 'protecting the flag' on St George's Day

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Cruella's boot boys out on the street again protecting our British freedoms in their usual brutish fashion with violent disorder. She must feel very proud.

The far right are not antagonised by “foreign causes” they’re sparked by the openly right wing rhetoric in our political landscape and media.

See now I am confused - was it:

a) a happy celebration of St George complete with flags, beer and shouting or

b) an angry protest about brown people, boats, immigration and the state of the country?

Because now we are being told it's all about our small island, we can;t take them all, 'safe countries', etc - but I thought it was a happy little gathering of nice people singing God Save The King interrupted by evil police?

@Imgoingandnevercomingback ignoring climate change? Britain had reduced emissions faster than any industrialised country in the world.

Hmmm

Try googling it, Britain has halved its emissions.

The thing is, it’s only on MN where a majority think it’s absolutely fine to let thousands of economic migrants come to the UK - open borders and all that. In the real world, a majority of people don’t want it. Generally, people who champion it are usually nicely set up in their own homes, use private schooling and private health care, don’t live in the towns where it’s a problem. These people just can’t see that we can’t pull houses out of our arses. People born here can’t get a house, they have to live in temporary accommodation for years before getting somewhere to call home. Those who use NHS can’t get appointments, have to wait for years for operations. Schools are bursting. So why would anyone with a brain cell actually think it’s okay to allow thousands of extra people into the country? Bonkers….

I'm actually more angry about the legal immigration figures than I am the illegal. That's where the real pressure on infrastructure is happening.

I think you will find it is the government (headed by someone who has been an economic migrant, as have I) who have permitted 100,000s of economic migrants to come to the UK each year.

In the further interests of factual accuracy I would like to point out that school rolls are falling.

No it was the undertone of racist thugs and gammons causing trouble that started it. It escalated!!!

Never said it wasn’t the fault of the government, but the fact that people on here think it’s okay. And yes, a lot of schools are at bursting. A quarter of the people in my area can’t get their children in at the school of their choice, because they’re ram jammed.

lets see:

The thing is, it’s only on MN where a majority think it’s absolutely fine to let thousands of economic migrants come to the UK - open borders and all that. In the real world, a majority of people don’t want it.

Generally, people who champion it are usually nicely set up in their own homes well I do own my own home - after years of living in shared houses and finally buying a cheap house in a run down area use private schooling and private health care, nope and Nope don’t live in the towns where it’s a problem. Outskirts of Birmingham, work in Birmingham - with UASC

These people just can’t see that we can’t pull houses out of our arses. Plenty of 4 bed executive detached being built round here - building them doesn't seem to be an issue People born here can’t get a house, plenty do - lots of people rent or own a house they have to live in temporary accommodation for years before getting somewhere to call home. because we sold off council stock and haven't built new ones Those who use NHS can’t get appointments, my NHS dentist has spaces - he's Brazilian, have to wait for years for operations my recent cancer scare was delta with swiftly by lovely NHS staff, including immigrants Schools are bursting not really
. So why would anyone with a brain cell actually think it’s okay to allow thousands of extra people into the country? because we NEED them? Bonkers….

I'm actually more angry about the legal immigration figures - illegal immigrants have no recourse to public funds

So presumably its not only on MN that people think that economic migrants come to the UK, but also in the government, or are you saying that the government doesn't agree with its own policies?

Um, every country was involved in slavery and many empires endured much longer than ours.

Plus, there are at this very moment approximately 4x more slaves in the world than were trafficked over the entire 300-400 years of the transatlantic slave trade.

Why is everybody focusing on what happened hundreds of years ago rather than helping people enslaved right now? Or do they have to wait until 2323 once we've given reparations for people that are long dead?

Below graphs will show it's now largely perpetrated by non-white countries. Not a single western country in the top ten.

Also, are FGM/honour killings/forced marriage/child marriage/etc white problems?

People are focussing on the celebrations in London. I’m absolutely no fan of Tommy Robinson, and he has tarnished the fact that we can celebrate St George’s day without it being classed as racist and celebrated by thugs. In our village, there were people nicely celebrating locally, waving their flags, and yet it feels like the expectation is that they’re wrong because displaying their patriotism is racist, just because people are focussing on a small group of people in London behaving badly.

@MarioIa could you help - I'm interested in getting more involved in charities and campaigns that tackle issues such a FMG and modern slavery - they are important issues - which ones do you support or work with?

Well clearly it doesn’t, or they wouldn’t be flying them out to Rwanda. The government haven’t been encouraging them to come, but haven’t done enough to stop it. They now realise that it’s a big issue to the majority of us, and are acting on it. But probably too late to save them at the next GE.

I'm also baffled as to why - if people generally are, quite rightly, concerned about issues of slavery or the impact of cultural practices on woman and girls in other countries we don;t welcome them here - to safety, when they flee?

Its not economic migrants, which the government has welcomed in the 100,000s, even changing immigration rules to make it easier for them to come here, that are going to be flown to Rwanda.

@ghostyslovesheets because most of the migrants both legal and illegal are young men.

So?

Most but not all - trust me

But young men can be sexually exploited, sold into slavery, be persecuted for their sexuality or political beliefs, forced to fight in wars they don't want to be part of - by extremist groups, at gun point, and can safely bring their mothers and sister over once settled

and if you heard from these 'young men' (13-17 year old boys) of what happens to them on their journey you would never send a girl.

also modern slavery often results from being forced to pay back the debt you racked up getting away - so we often have kids come to us having been found in cannabis farms, trap houses and other criminal operations

How can you possibly be baffled? FGM and honor killings happen here, in the U.K. The U.K. can provide safety to an extent, but not from what goes on at home.

It's illegal here though - there is protection under law and prosecution

also 'honour killing' is just murdering women under a different name - but for the same reasons

How can you possibly be baffled? FGM and honor killings happen here, in the U.K. The U.K. can provide safety to an extent, but not from what goes on at home

I'm baffled because so many people would send them back to countries where it is legal, widely practiced and accepted - because they can't get a dentist