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AIBU to expect those on benefits to pay tax on their benefits?

201 replies

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 22/04/2024 21:09

Hi

Reading a thread on MN, I noted a FM stating that a financial org a well respected one cited that the tax system in England should be fair and "balanced" tax system, and their meaning of "balance" is different to mine

IMO, a "balanced" tax system is where those on benefits inc Housing benefit, should pay taxes if they are getting over the nations/England's tax free allowance that most working people get, IE £12,570 a year 2023/2024

Some on benefits, even though benefits have been so-called capped - are still getting a lot, lot more than those in work. Most working people also have travelling costs and in London that can easily equate to a hundred pounds a week

AIBU to tell the lame government to tax those on benefits that are getting more than the tax allowance of £12,570 - Inc in benefits the cash payments via bank, the Housing benefits, and the reductions they get in council tax.

IMO, it is only fair to those that are working many hours a week often 40/50 hours and two hours of traveling time and in london many paying around a hundred quid in travel costs and having to endure nasty managers and co-workers and abuse as they travel to and back from work

IMO, the above would indeed be a "balanced" tax regime and possibly encourage some back to work

NB: Feel free to agree or disagree but rest assured I will ignore nasty, rude posts. There are millions on benefits and IMO my proposal needs to be considered . It could be my proposal is fundamentally flawed and or needs tweaks - therefore, helpful comments will be fully considered

OP posts:
DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 23/04/2024 11:28

BIWI · 23/04/2024 11:26

@DistinguishedSocialCommentator please can you tell us why you keep on using the acronym FM, when it's obvious people don't understand what it means? And when you've already been asked not to use it?

Please see one of my previous posts from earlier today - Thanks

OP posts:
frankentall · 23/04/2024 11:28

At least these threads have a bit of comedy value.

SabreIsMyFave · 23/04/2024 11:31

I agree with @BIWI I just keep seeing @DistinguishedSocialCommentator talking about radio. (Frequency Modulation!)

SabreIsMyFave · 23/04/2024 11:31

frankentall · 23/04/2024 11:28

At least these threads have a bit of comedy value.

Oh yeah defo! 😆

BIWI · 23/04/2024 11:33

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 23/04/2024 11:28

Please see one of my previous posts from earlier today - Thanks

Well, it would be helpful if you could link to that, seeing as I don't hang on your every word/post on Mumsnet Hmm

Nicetobenice7 · 23/04/2024 11:42

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 23/04/2024 10:26

Hello
Many thanks for that and your point re how long the others been here. I've read that many times its their way of self entitlement

Not everyone will agree with everything. Many FM's won't post for fear of being mocked/abused etc. However, at least 33% of MN's users that have seen this thread agree with the OP

Even the government had to step in to put a "cap on benefits."

Many on this forum won't like this but a small minority do play the benefits system even the UC I think its called now but choosing not to work over x hours or earnings as it impacts their benefits.

The benefits system is in place to help those that really need it that is fine Those in work should be not worse off than being on benefits - but london fares are high and something needs to be done to at least reward a little those that work vs on benefits,
When we were younger, big mortgage for that period - as all of the interest could be paid via benefits and we had three little kids - me and my OH would have been better off on benefits if we had not worked more than our 35/40 hours but we had to work and worked at least 50 hours some weeks in every month

TBH - I'm not sure what the solution is but those in the middle get hammered with tax after tax and its not fair. Those with their own property are constantly hammered - not fair

Thank you again.

Your welcome thanks for recognising my post ....some ppl think they are so entitled but I agree with everything you say x

LiterallyOnFire · 23/04/2024 12:22

Please see one of my previous posts from earlier today - Thanks

Wow. You want us to review your whole day's posting history to understand your acronyms? Hard pass there.

IncompleteSenten · 23/04/2024 13:36

I thought the only people exempt from the benefit cap are those with disabilities?
So you are saying you want to make disabled people even worse off and make life even harder?

That's a very cold position to take regarding the most vulnerable people in society.

Also, taxing benefits? What's the point?

Here are your benefits. 3 apples.

Oh you should be paying taxes!! So we will take one of your apples. You now have 2 apples. Oh, that's not survivable? Ok, we will give you 4 apples on paper but you'll only get 3 apples because we keep 1 apple back in tax.

What do you mean that is utterly pointless? It's not pointless. People think you are paying taxes on your benefits. It really doesn't matter that the reality is the government is paying taxes to itself. It's a good headline.

TheFunHasGone · 23/04/2024 14:04

Nicetobenice7 · 23/04/2024 11:42

Your welcome thanks for recognising my post ....some ppl think they are so entitled but I agree with everything you say x

It seems there's 2 of you that don't know what you are talking about then

ivs · 23/04/2024 14:36

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Nicetobenice7 · 23/04/2024 14:46

TheFunHasGone · 23/04/2024 14:04

It seems there's 2 of you that don't know what you are talking about then

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TheFunHasGone · 23/04/2024 14:51

Nicetobenice7 · 23/04/2024 14:46

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You can angry face as much as you want but any interest on a mortgage paid by UC is a loan that needs paying back , The more hours you work on UC the more you take home so no one is working under x hours to stop it impacting their benefits

goodluckwiththat · 23/04/2024 15:03

TheFunHasGone · 23/04/2024 14:04

It seems there's 2 of you that don't know what you are talking about then

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Nicetobenice7 · 23/04/2024 15:08

TheFunHasGone · 23/04/2024 14:51

You can angry face as much as you want but any interest on a mortgage paid by UC is a loan that needs paying back , The more hours you work on UC the more you take home so no one is working under x hours to stop it impacting their benefits

Someone else that just don't get it...leave uou to it have a fab evening

Zoflorabore · 23/04/2024 16:12

You haven’t really thought this through, even at a basic level, have you op?

let me enlighten you- after being a productive member of society for many years I am now unable to work due to several physical and mental health conditions, one of them being life limiting.

I live in a HA property and my rent is thankfully covered in full, for that I am hugely grateful.

I then receive the sum of £444.48 for me and my 13 year old daughter a month from UC.

are you telling me you think I should be taxed on that? We are in a terrible state as it is. That would push me right over the edge.

I don’t know who you are and I don’t really care but you seem to have made quite a bad impression on here. Maybe have a think before posting utter bollocks that just makes you look stupid. So many people on here are bloody struggling and it’s shit. Your little proposal would do more harm than good but thankfully it will never happen like you want it
to. In 10 years of being on MN this is one of the stupidest things I’ve ever read.

IDespairOfTheHumanRace · 23/04/2024 16:48

Well said @Zoflorabore!

Nicetobenice7 · 23/04/2024 18:39

goodluckwiththat · 23/04/2024 15:03

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Childish... how ridiculous omg

goodluckwiththat · 23/04/2024 18:40

Nicetobenice7 · 23/04/2024 18:39

Childish... how ridiculous omg

So your angry face is ok, my laughing face is not?

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Nicetobenice7 · 23/04/2024 19:58

goodluckwiththat · 23/04/2024 18:40

So your angry face is ok, my laughing face is not?

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SabreIsMyFave · 23/04/2024 20:01

Zoflorabore · 23/04/2024 16:12

You haven’t really thought this through, even at a basic level, have you op?

let me enlighten you- after being a productive member of society for many years I am now unable to work due to several physical and mental health conditions, one of them being life limiting.

I live in a HA property and my rent is thankfully covered in full, for that I am hugely grateful.

I then receive the sum of £444.48 for me and my 13 year old daughter a month from UC.

are you telling me you think I should be taxed on that? We are in a terrible state as it is. That would push me right over the edge.

I don’t know who you are and I don’t really care but you seem to have made quite a bad impression on here. Maybe have a think before posting utter bollocks that just makes you look stupid. So many people on here are bloody struggling and it’s shit. Your little proposal would do more harm than good but thankfully it will never happen like you want it
to. In 10 years of being on MN this is one of the stupidest things I’ve ever read.

👏 Well said. Good post @Zoflorabore

The very idea of taxing peoples benefits HAS to be a joke. Why would anyone suggest this? WHY?

goodluckwiththat · 23/04/2024 20:14

Nicetobenice7 · 23/04/2024 19:58

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You spelt 🤣 wrong

ivs · 23/04/2024 20:16

Nicetobenice7 · 23/04/2024 07:20

If you get disability benefits you get uc too don't you ?

No, not necessarily

Not all people with disabilities are on low wages....

ilovesooty · 23/04/2024 20:18

ivs · 23/04/2024 20:16

No, not necessarily

Not all people with disabilities are on low wages....

Not much point in presenting facts to some people.

Sapphire387 · 23/04/2024 20:36

When I used to receive Widowed Parents' Allowance, I got taxed on it.

I thought that was pretty low of them tbh.

TheFunHasGone · 23/04/2024 20:41

Yeah that is a low , not as bad as changing it so people only get it for 18 months now

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