AIBU to expect those on benefits to pay tax on their benefits?

[DistinguishedSocialCommentator]

Hi

Reading a thread on MN, I noted a FM stating that a financial org a well respected one cited that the tax system in England should be fair and "balanced" tax system, and their meaning of "balance" is different to mine

IMO, a "balanced" tax system is where those on benefits inc Housing benefit, should pay taxes if they are getting over the nations/England's tax free allowance that most working people get, IE £12,570 a year 2023/2024

Some on benefits, even though benefits have been so-called capped - are still getting a lot, lot more than those in work. Most working people also have travelling costs and in London that can easily equate to a hundred pounds a week

AIBU to tell the lame government to tax those on benefits that are getting more than the tax allowance of £12,570 - Inc in benefits the cash payments via bank, the Housing benefits, and the reductions they get in council tax.

IMO, it is only fair to those that are working many hours a week often 40/50 hours and two hours of traveling time and in london many paying around a hundred quid in travel costs and having to endure nasty managers and co-workers and abuse as they travel to and back from work

IMO, the above would indeed be a "balanced" tax regime and possibly encourage some back to work

NB: Feel free to agree or disagree but rest assured I will ignore nasty, rude posts. There are millions on benefits and IMO my proposal needs to be considered . It could be my proposal is fundamentally flawed and or needs tweaks - therefore, helpful comments will be fully considered

Genuine question. I work full time, I am disabled but I am not eligible for any benefits as far as I know. What kind of benefits do these 'I work 2 jobs' people get that are not available to me? I had the impression that you are not eligible for any benefits post-covid if you are earning above a certain (relatively low) salary.

That's idiotic.

Eg:

Person A with 1 kid gets
Unemployment Element- £390 a month
Child element - £330
LHA Rate Toward Rent - £500 (rent is £850)

Total Benefit Income - £1220
...
Minus Tax of 10% £120

So now someone living on £14640 a year is living on £13176

Jesus.
Talk about kicking those below instead of those above.

Run a calculator.

EntitledTo is the one I use.

It tapers off. The more you earn the less you get.
And depending on rent and number of kids you get different elements.

If you have no kids and a mortgage, UC won't help much unless you're wage is really low, like minimum wage for 30 hours a week.

Benefits aren’t just some arbitrary figure that the government makes up for the lols. They are calculated on what it is deemed that person needs to survive at a basic level, depending on their circumstances (eg disabled, has children etc). So by docking this amount with tax, they would then have less than they need to survive, which kind of defeats the point of them. Or more money would have to be given, for the government to claim it back, which again would be completely pointless.

What would be the point?
Housing benefit and council tax support are paid for by local authorities, surely that would create a huge lot more administration ? Councils are going bankrupt as it is without added admin.

You can still claim PIP and work. Other disabled people who are limited in what hours they can work due to disability can claim top ups like Universal credit but that is means tested so depends on savings, earnings etc.

You know I don't think people realise how low benefits really are.
They hear anecdotal stories from people who know someone that rakes in thousands.. shake their heads and believe all Benefit claimants are scroungers raking it in.

I would LOVE to hear from people how many of their monthly bills they could pay with £390 and have enough left for food for a month...

And you know what..

I reckon a high percentage of those bashing benefit claimants probably spend more than £390 a month just on their food shops a month.

Where is this £390 a month figure coming from ? Not many benefit claimants would get that little?

It's that first one. Known RW goader and semi literate.

So if you work full time with a decent salary, even as a disabled person you are not entiteld to any benefits. Someone mentioned earlier that people work 2 jobs and they get benefits. Unless if they work a couple of hours per week in each job and both jobs are entry level, I can't see how this is possible.

If you were disabled and worked full time with any salary you could still claim PIP if you meet the criteria. It is non means tested.

They do pay tax
years ago, when I was on jobseekers allowance in my 20s ( im
Now in my 40s) are used to get annual statements which broke down my benefit and some of that was Tax paid back to the government. I even got a tax return once
you do realise, though that most people who claim benefits are in work
most benefits are Housing top ups, because the landlord charges extortionate rents

Your ability to get worse and worse with every thread is pretty impressive

Standard element of Universal Credit is £393 for anyone over 25.

That's the starting point for Unemployed people and I'll people and disabled people etc.

They then get other elements added on to help towards rent and children and childcare etc.

https://www.gov.uk/universal-credit/what-youll-get

Yes but this one plans on talking us to death with utter nonsense

At this point I will take a borg like assimilation instead please, at least they were succinct and logical

They are taxed OP.

I don't want to know, do I?

Hi @DistinguishedSocialCommentator , what's a FM? I'm not familiar with that one.

I was reading and thinking about pointing out some of the flaws but thanks for making me check. Back to my crochet I think.

That is most the most futile idea I've ever seen suggested on MN. Well done.

It's like being restrained and subjected to Vogon poetry.

Someone has made a name for themselves very quickly.

Eyes down on the Daily Mail OP for your next thread

Beat me to it 😂

NRTFT but why post all the crap about public transport into London when you don't use it? I doubted your validity initially but advanced search is enlightening in your case...