AIBU to expect those on benefits to pay tax on their benefits?

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Hi

Reading a thread on MN, I noted a FM stating that a financial org a well respected one cited that the tax system in England should be fair and "balanced" tax system, and their meaning of "balance" is different to mine

IMO, a "balanced" tax system is where those on benefits inc Housing benefit, should pay taxes if they are getting over the nations/England's tax free allowance that most working people get, IE £12,570 a year 2023/2024

Some on benefits, even though benefits have been so-called capped - are still getting a lot, lot more than those in work. Most working people also have travelling costs and in London that can easily equate to a hundred pounds a week

AIBU to tell the lame government to tax those on benefits that are getting more than the tax allowance of £12,570 - Inc in benefits the cash payments via bank, the Housing benefits, and the reductions they get in council tax.

IMO, it is only fair to those that are working many hours a week often 40/50 hours and two hours of traveling time and in london many paying around a hundred quid in travel costs and having to endure nasty managers and co-workers and abuse as they travel to and back from work

IMO, the above would indeed be a "balanced" tax regime and possibly encourage some back to work

NB: Feel free to agree or disagree but rest assured I will ignore nasty, rude posts. There are millions on benefits and IMO my proposal needs to be considered . It could be my proposal is fundamentally flawed and or needs tweaks - therefore, helpful comments will be fully considered

Yep and those people on minimum wage, in London, paying for their travel (because everyone knows the rest of the country is only a few miles long and walkable) are literally those exact people on benefits you are moaning about

You are aware many people on benefits also work and pay travel expenses. Not just in London either. Us Northerners have trains and cars and all sorts.

Nah, I don’t think they’re anything like that interesting. Just thick and self-righteous.

While the question is of course ridiculous it is true to say that lower and mid range earners in the UK pay way less tax than they do in many other countries where public services, schools etc are better such as Scandinavia.

Unfortunately any attempt to address this is met with howls of outrage as there is no collective responsibility in society anymore. Everyone just wants other people to pay more tax just not them.

That means we’ll continue with poor provision of public services for the foreseeable future.

Some benefits are taxable - https://www.gov.uk/income-tax/taxfree-and-taxable-state-benefits

I work full time and spend 2 hours per day commuting. I also claim some benefits. A huge number of benefit claimants are in work.

If employers paid enough, people in work would not need benefits. Perhaps employers should stop expecting the tax payer to subsidise their paying of low wages while they make massive profits.

Oh god! It’s you again. Try taking up a hobby.

I don't know, it seems a bit punitive doesn't it? To take money away from those who already fall below quite a stringent threshold to access this support.

I don't wholesale agree with the current taxation set up. But I don't wish people in poverty, the disabled, parents who've been left holding the babies by feckless partners and the elderly, had less. It benefits no one to make the struggling poorer.

Plus, it would cost more to administer than the revenue it creates. Yes the workers have these costs and struggle too. But taking from those in genuine need is never the answer. Perhaps a better nmw or a Government that didn't take decisions that spiralled the cost of living out of control might have helped?

Wait with the what now?! 😳

Oh dear gods our living, breathing Dunning-Kruger curve has found the keyboard again

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Its a slippery slope talking about other countries unless you have lived their and you know exactly how the system works else where. Here in UK many people work it's not even minium wage jobs, it's people with degrees like a nurse but maybe she has 3 children and high rent. How would paying more tax work? Because then there wage would be lower meaning UC would be raised? So tell us how it works in Scandinavia?

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I said it before, but it bears repeating, unless I get deleted again -this OP has THE most oxymoronic user name ever to grace the hallowed threads of Mumsnet

All of your threads and comments are full of uneducated naive statements; and you consistently have atrocious spelling.

Can you go and have half an hour by yourself and regroup or something? You might find a better use for your time.

In the early days, they actually spelled it wrong 🤣

Someone had to point it out (and probably supply the correct spelling).

I think that is a very rude statement to criticise someone on there spelling uneducated naive ...very critical and not very nice ..wow

Mocking someone ...disgusting

The majority of people on benefits also work. So you want people who work and are already struggling to pay tax twice? YABU!

‘Their’ spelling.

Or reading a book or anything that might educate you a bit - a lot of people claiming benefits are WORKING so paying sodding tax already but you know -on such shit wages they need and are entitled to top ups.

The Op is a bit of a pillock though.

IMO why don’t you just write to your MP and they can respond to your suggestion?

So you think benefits in kind should be taxed, even though they don't involve receiving any actual money out of which the tax can be paid?

Here's an idea. If you receive the single person's council tax discount (and I have a hunch that you might), you should pay tax on that.

In green ink.