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AIBU to not fund ex-partner’s children?

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3LemonsAndLime · 19/04/2024 10:29

I have just ended things with my partner (ExDP). We have lived together for several years, no children. He has 2 tween children from a previous relationship (I have none). He is a good father, contributes jointly to children’s fees and items for them and general costs as well as pays maintenance above CMS and has them regularly. The co-parenting relationship with his ex is positive.

The issues is, I am a high earner, I earn over 3x my ex-DP’s income. He still earns a very good wage, well above average. In making the decision to move in together, I wanted to be sure to guard my financial position, and so I alone pay my mortgage, and all house maintenance related bills. ExDP and I contributed an equal amount to the ‘normal’ bills account (not proportionate to income). I also paid for most ‘extra’ things, like holidays, entertainment/meals out, usually on the basis that I was the one who mainly organised/booked it, so it was easier to pay, and obviously I could afford it. When out for things we would pay for things alternatively as the bill came up - he would pay for petrol in the car on the way to dinner, I would pay at the restaurant. It was never planned, just the person closest at each one would pay.

If asked, I would have said that he was on a ‘good deal’ with me, as obviously he had no rent or mortgage to pay, half of bills and me paying for the more expensive parts of our life - furniture, holidays and things as above. But I always felt like I was paying for some of those things to ensure no messy ownership issues (house, furniture etc) and he earnt less than me and had children who deserved his money, so it was right that I subsidise our life abit more.

The relationship has been difficult lately, mainly around his children and their attitude to me. (I am not the other woman, and he had been in another 2 year relationship before me). It started well, but has gotten disrespectful, and moved to rude and in recent months is now in the hurtful and toxic stage. My ex-DP has tried many strategies, I have bent over backwards, but after a recent issue time in my own life, have made the difficult decision that I don’t want to live like this anymore, and ended things with ex-DP yesterday.

This obviously involves him moving out, and he will have more expenses.

However he and his ex-wife are now furious with me, as apparently decisions were made about their children’s after-school activities and choice of school that necessitated him having the disposable income he did (that is, that he was with someone who covered more expenses and lifestyle costs, so he had a good standard of living whilst still having a lot of money to pay towards to his kids).

ExDP is furious that I am putting his children’s schooling at risk, jeapodising his contact time (he used to have them here, in my home, which is nice - now it will have to be at his parents, where they can’t stay overnight, until he gets a place of his own, the cost and standard of which he is also concerned about). He says a school trip for one would never have been agreed to if he knew his current financial circumstances and another will have to stop a hobby/sport as again, he can’t afford it. It is an expensive sport, to be fair.

All these decisions were made between exDP and his ex-wife. I was not consulted and didn’t think much of them. If I thought at all, it would have been to assume their parents would have made the decisions after considering their own financial circumstances.

My ex is not clear in what he wants/expects from me - just wanting to rant at me or I’m not sure if he means we should stay together (or just live together, but not be together?) so he can keep financing this, or if he intends to ask for money. I am trying to get my thoughts in order, as I just did not see this coming - AIBU here to break up with exDP and not expect a financial obligation to children that are not mine?

OP posts:
diddl · 20/04/2024 12:48

Responsibilities!!!???

Fuck me!

They have two parents!

Were they really sent to a private school on the basis of him having less outgoings?

Don't be drawn into anything Op.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 20/04/2024 12:49

You made it clear that your finances were separate as was your home. He was happy with that

I doubt it, @Greywitch2; they hadn't lived together that long, and I suspect it's much more likely he thought it would do for now, but that he'd ramp up the pressure as he went along

Which he's unfortunately still trying to do ...

Youcannotbeseriousreally · 20/04/2024 12:49

InsolentNoise · 20/04/2024 11:49

Your sis and BIL are amazing! And so are you.
Keep up this strength.

Please DO NOT give him any money whatsoever. He’s had more than enough. He’ll keep coming back asking for money, every time things get tough!

Oh and you do not have any “responsibilities” in this, namely his children because that’s obviously what he means.

Best of luck for this afternoon. I think you’re awesome!

THIS! Well done @3LemonsAndLime

Emotionalsupportviper · 20/04/2024 12:51

Zeroperspective · 20/04/2024 11:48

If he had 'no childcare' and brought the children to the house, what makes you sure he won't try and ambush you with the children if you meet him this afternoon? I think you've done the right thing and you need to remember that if/when he tries to pull on your emotions during this final conversation. Good luck x

This is a good point.

If he turns up with the children, please just say "This isn't what we agreed, and walk away.

Would your sister and/or BIL be able to sit in a different part of this public place to ensure he doesn't they to ambush you? Or could you go and watch for his arrival, and if he brings the children text him. "This isn't what we agreed. Don't contact me again."

Whatever happens, don't allow him to manipulate you. Go broken record - "This isn't working for me" over and over.

I can only imagine how difficult this must be for you. Your feelings are very raw - but things will not change (or not for more than a fortnight) and will drift back to what they were, and then get worse, and it will be even worse for you.

Best of luck - and your sister is a rare gem. This - DSis and BIL said they would pack the excess in their car and follow him to his house, which they did. was inspired and gave him no excuse to come bak to your home (though I wouldn't be surprised if he "can't find" some minor but vital thing in the next few days.

Best of luck my dear - today and going forward.

Mirabai · 20/04/2024 12:52

Ttrees · 20/04/2024 12:39

The financial side sounds messy for them but they will have to adjust.

I do think I would have tried to handle a separation with the children in mind. They had no warning and no chance to spend final time in the place that has been a second home - other than to pack up without you even there. I really don’t think I would handle an ending with children like that. Your ex has no time to prepare the children or plan to minimise the impact on them.

However badly behaved they have been I expect you have been important to them OP.

I hope the posts here don’t leave you feeling worse long term. Just because they have slipped into taking the financial benefits for granted doesn’t mean that is all you meant to them or to your ex at all. He may be hurting and in shock but has decide focused on the practicalities.

I wonder if everyone leaping in being supportive have actually devalued your entire relational.

I agree. Puppies are not just for Christmas and you can’t just dump them on the street when they turn out to be tricker than you thought. OP should have given them notice and a chance to regroup before booting them out.

Kapaj · 20/04/2024 12:52

Goodness me, does this man have no self respect?

He needs to get some fast, then pass it on to his children.

diddl · 20/04/2024 12:53

Oh & I love about him wanting to move back in & work through things together.

What things?

It is over!

Oh and that him & his ex stayed in the property until they sold it.

Well duh!!

Here's a headsup- Op isn't selling her house!

ThinWomansBrain · 20/04/2024 12:53

the children's mother is equally an ex - if the pair of the are that bothered about the financial impact on the children, ha can move in with her.

Trickabrick · 20/04/2024 12:53

God the arrogance of him is astounding, I’d be texting him to confirm he’s not brought the kids before I walked into the meetup place as it sounds there’s a chance he’ll turn up with them too.

ReadingSoManyThreads · 20/04/2024 12:54

Your DSis, BIL and YOU ROCK! I'm so glad you have such great close, family support.

I have always been AGAINST giving him any money/pay off, and after reading today's update, I've never been even MORE AGAINST it. His manipulation and emotional blackmail this morning to your DSis was shameful. And the video with the children? Oh my, this man has some audacity!

After his manipulation tactics this morning, I'd find it even easier to cut all ties and NOT give him any money now.

He ONLY cares about having a roof over his head, money, and his children's activities being funded. Then saying you were "over reacting", "your responsibility", etc.? Who the hell does he think he is??

I was for meeting him for a coffee to finalise things/for closure for both of you, but reading other comments, yeah, I'd be concerned he'll just use it to lay on thick the emotional blackmail, manipulation and blindside you. So, if you go, please be VERY careful, and do not be afraid to just stand up, say "we're done", and leave. You owe him nothing.

Honestly OP, walk away with your head held high, you have NOTHING to feel guilty over, you only feel guilt because you are such a good person. He should be ashamed of himself. You're amazing.

0sm0nthus · 20/04/2024 12:54

Regarding the practical steps going forwards, he thinks he can manipulate you into providing ongoing financial support for him and his children.
I think he finds it hard to accept that you have a higher income and more wealth than he does, or rather his ego finds it painful and he copes with that by pretending to himself that your resources belong to him, or rather that he owns you and therefore anything that's yours belongs ultimately to him.
Then again it's as if you don't even count as a person in his mind, merely an appliance which provides for him and his children, look at the way he completely ignores your wishes.
I guess it comes down to 'you're a woman, shut up and do as your told' 🤯

dandeliondandy · 20/04/2024 12:55

Wow! The sense of entitlement is strong with this man - easy to see where the children get it from! Once again he is making YOU out to be the bad guy in all of this. How SELFISH of you to not want to continue bankrolling HIS family despite you having split up and not even being the DSM!!

OP you are clearly a lovely, generous and honourable person who has done her best for everyone and had it thrown back in her face! Even that isn't good enough because much wants more!

PLEASE listen to your DS who sounds amazing and an absolute gem of a sister. She is on the outside and she has your best interests at heart. Please don't allow yourself to be guilted in anything. Under no circumstances take him back and NEVER feel you owe you ExDP or his children a lifestyle. You don't. Rather than be grateful for all you have done, they just want to squeeze more out of you.

I agree with other posters, if you walk in and the children are there, turn on your heel and walk out.

Do not give him money.

Do not agree to underwrite future expenses of HIS children.

If you show weakness now, he will see how easy you are to manipulate and he won't stop. He is a very manipulative man.

You will feel sad for a while but truly, any man would be lucky to have a woman like you - so open-hearted and generous in spirit not to mention financially.

You owe nothing to this man or his children despite what some other posters might say. I mean, when would your liability end? When they go to university? Would you be expected to chip in for wedding costs on the basis that you were once in a relationship with their father? Do you see how ridiculous that is?

He can stay with his parents until he gets a place sorted and he can take his kids out for the day or sleep on his ex-wife's sofa if he wants an overnight visit. Of course there will be some turbulence at first but isn't there always after a split? He will find another woman to live off sort himself out at some point. The children will be fine, they have two parents plus grandparents to look after them.

Close the door firmly on him and this chapter quietly and with dignity and get on with your life. You deserve better.

TheGruffalochild · 20/04/2024 12:55

Also in the don’t give money, don’t go for coffee camp.
He sounds worryingly persistent. Men who can’t take no for an answer make better matadors than partners.
I think its very telling that bil and sil, who know the situation in real life, have literally carried out his stuff to the car. I’ve had break ups where my family couldn’t wait to get the guy out the door, and others where I received support but also feedback on my own faults. The men in the first scenario weren’t good guys, and those close to me could see right through it.

diddl · 20/04/2024 12:56

I agree. Puppies are not just for Christmas and you can’t just dump them on the street when they turn out to be tricker than you thought. OP should have given them notice and a chance to regroup before booting them out.

No one will be on the street.

Perhaps Op's ex should have given it more thought before moving in?

Mirabai · 20/04/2024 12:56

Hmm. The fact that the ex-DP immediately brought up the financial implications shows his priorities.

In the circs they’re one of the most immediate issues.

If it was the DP posting this as a female, being turfed out after a year over hurt feelings by the kids - the responses would be very different.

Rosesanddaffs · 20/04/2024 12:57

3LemonsAndLime · 19/04/2024 10:29

I have just ended things with my partner (ExDP). We have lived together for several years, no children. He has 2 tween children from a previous relationship (I have none). He is a good father, contributes jointly to children’s fees and items for them and general costs as well as pays maintenance above CMS and has them regularly. The co-parenting relationship with his ex is positive.

The issues is, I am a high earner, I earn over 3x my ex-DP’s income. He still earns a very good wage, well above average. In making the decision to move in together, I wanted to be sure to guard my financial position, and so I alone pay my mortgage, and all house maintenance related bills. ExDP and I contributed an equal amount to the ‘normal’ bills account (not proportionate to income). I also paid for most ‘extra’ things, like holidays, entertainment/meals out, usually on the basis that I was the one who mainly organised/booked it, so it was easier to pay, and obviously I could afford it. When out for things we would pay for things alternatively as the bill came up - he would pay for petrol in the car on the way to dinner, I would pay at the restaurant. It was never planned, just the person closest at each one would pay.

If asked, I would have said that he was on a ‘good deal’ with me, as obviously he had no rent or mortgage to pay, half of bills and me paying for the more expensive parts of our life - furniture, holidays and things as above. But I always felt like I was paying for some of those things to ensure no messy ownership issues (house, furniture etc) and he earnt less than me and had children who deserved his money, so it was right that I subsidise our life abit more.

The relationship has been difficult lately, mainly around his children and their attitude to me. (I am not the other woman, and he had been in another 2 year relationship before me). It started well, but has gotten disrespectful, and moved to rude and in recent months is now in the hurtful and toxic stage. My ex-DP has tried many strategies, I have bent over backwards, but after a recent issue time in my own life, have made the difficult decision that I don’t want to live like this anymore, and ended things with ex-DP yesterday.

This obviously involves him moving out, and he will have more expenses.

However he and his ex-wife are now furious with me, as apparently decisions were made about their children’s after-school activities and choice of school that necessitated him having the disposable income he did (that is, that he was with someone who covered more expenses and lifestyle costs, so he had a good standard of living whilst still having a lot of money to pay towards to his kids).

ExDP is furious that I am putting his children’s schooling at risk, jeapodising his contact time (he used to have them here, in my home, which is nice - now it will have to be at his parents, where they can’t stay overnight, until he gets a place of his own, the cost and standard of which he is also concerned about). He says a school trip for one would never have been agreed to if he knew his current financial circumstances and another will have to stop a hobby/sport as again, he can’t afford it. It is an expensive sport, to be fair.

All these decisions were made between exDP and his ex-wife. I was not consulted and didn’t think much of them. If I thought at all, it would have been to assume their parents would have made the decisions after considering their own financial circumstances.

My ex is not clear in what he wants/expects from me - just wanting to rant at me or I’m not sure if he means we should stay together (or just live together, but not be together?) so he can keep financing this, or if he intends to ask for money. I am trying to get my thoughts in order, as I just did not see this coming - AIBU here to break up with exDP and not expect a financial obligation to children that are not mine?

Not your kids, not your problem xx

0sm0nthus · 20/04/2024 12:57

Puzzledandpissedoff · 20/04/2024 12:49

You made it clear that your finances were separate as was your home. He was happy with that

I doubt it, @Greywitch2; they hadn't lived together that long, and I suspect it's much more likely he thought it would do for now, but that he'd ramp up the pressure as he went along

Which he's unfortunately still trying to do ...

I think he had plans to get his name on the deeds, look at the way he thinks he can persuade you to comply with him. He's plotting and planning all the time, he planned it so that he wouldn't have room in the car for everything and would have to come back to get the rest of it.
He had his future all mapped out, a nice easy life courtesy of sugar mummy and he's not giving it up without a fight.

Queencam · 20/04/2024 12:57

TheGruffalochild · 20/04/2024 12:55

Also in the don’t give money, don’t go for coffee camp.
He sounds worryingly persistent. Men who can’t take no for an answer make better matadors than partners.
I think its very telling that bil and sil, who know the situation in real life, have literally carried out his stuff to the car. I’ve had break ups where my family couldn’t wait to get the guy out the door, and others where I received support but also feedback on my own faults. The men in the first scenario weren’t good guys, and those close to me could see right through it.

I thought that too re Dsis and Bil.

Hope you enjoy getting your home back OP.

diddl · 20/04/2024 12:58

Also in the don’t give money, don’t go for coffee camp.

Yup!

AhNowTed · 20/04/2024 12:58

@Mirabai puppies are not just for Christmas but these children have TWO parents.

Both of whom want to drag them into an adult situation and one of whom made them do a begging video, making it their fault or problem.

They're disgusting.

LadyMacbethssweetArabianhand · 20/04/2024 12:58

Thank you for the update. It was detailed and illuminating. He's a piece of work, isn't he? Completely ignored your request not to bring the children, getting them to send a begging video and trying to manipulate the situation to return. Oh, and trying to persuade your sister he was in the right. What a prince among men!
If you go ahead with the meeting this afternoon, please have plan B in place. Based on his behaviour yesterday, he will turn up at your house, insisting that it would be easier to talk there. He will bring the children. He won't listen to anything you say and may alternate between anger and tears. If you meet in a public place, be prepared to leave immediately if he has the children with him or if he tries to guilt you, cries or gets angry.
I would not meet with him yet. I think it's all a bit raw and hurtful for you. If you feel you should, then maybe in a few weeks. Best of luck.

GoingDownLikeBHS · 20/04/2024 12:58

Given them "notice"?! What so that he could spend even more time harassing her? Those posting support for this man seem to forget he's forced his kids to make a video to try to guilt trip her into providing more bed and board. Next thing you know he will be trying to make a claim for maintenance/a share of the house.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 20/04/2024 12:59

Mirabai · 20/04/2024 12:56

Hmm. The fact that the ex-DP immediately brought up the financial implications shows his priorities.

In the circs they’re one of the most immediate issues.

If it was the DP posting this as a female, being turfed out after a year over hurt feelings by the kids - the responses would be very different.

Would they?

I'm not so sure. For a start, it would be very unusual for a mother to be the non resident parent and I think a lot of people would be saying she'd been very foolish to make herself financially dependent on a man in this way.

InTheShallowTheShalalalalalalalow · 20/04/2024 12:59

I wouldn't go for coffee, he's proven how manipulative he is, and he isn't above using his own kids to get sympathy either.

If you need closure then I would send him an email with everything you need to say to him, then block him on everything.

You will get nothing but heartache from meeting this guy.

GoingDownLikeBHS · 20/04/2024 13:00

OP if you agree to this meeting, and he turns up with the kids, there will be a scene and he'll say its your fault and from what you've been posting, you will believe it is.

So I'm very much in the cancel the meeting camp. Go on a school day if you must (although I wouldn't put it past him to pull them out of school that day too, to protect his "investment").

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