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AIBU to not fund ex-partner’s children?

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3LemonsAndLime · 19/04/2024 10:29

I have just ended things with my partner (ExDP). We have lived together for several years, no children. He has 2 tween children from a previous relationship (I have none). He is a good father, contributes jointly to children’s fees and items for them and general costs as well as pays maintenance above CMS and has them regularly. The co-parenting relationship with his ex is positive.

The issues is, I am a high earner, I earn over 3x my ex-DP’s income. He still earns a very good wage, well above average. In making the decision to move in together, I wanted to be sure to guard my financial position, and so I alone pay my mortgage, and all house maintenance related bills. ExDP and I contributed an equal amount to the ‘normal’ bills account (not proportionate to income). I also paid for most ‘extra’ things, like holidays, entertainment/meals out, usually on the basis that I was the one who mainly organised/booked it, so it was easier to pay, and obviously I could afford it. When out for things we would pay for things alternatively as the bill came up - he would pay for petrol in the car on the way to dinner, I would pay at the restaurant. It was never planned, just the person closest at each one would pay.

If asked, I would have said that he was on a ‘good deal’ with me, as obviously he had no rent or mortgage to pay, half of bills and me paying for the more expensive parts of our life - furniture, holidays and things as above. But I always felt like I was paying for some of those things to ensure no messy ownership issues (house, furniture etc) and he earnt less than me and had children who deserved his money, so it was right that I subsidise our life abit more.

The relationship has been difficult lately, mainly around his children and their attitude to me. (I am not the other woman, and he had been in another 2 year relationship before me). It started well, but has gotten disrespectful, and moved to rude and in recent months is now in the hurtful and toxic stage. My ex-DP has tried many strategies, I have bent over backwards, but after a recent issue time in my own life, have made the difficult decision that I don’t want to live like this anymore, and ended things with ex-DP yesterday.

This obviously involves him moving out, and he will have more expenses.

However he and his ex-wife are now furious with me, as apparently decisions were made about their children’s after-school activities and choice of school that necessitated him having the disposable income he did (that is, that he was with someone who covered more expenses and lifestyle costs, so he had a good standard of living whilst still having a lot of money to pay towards to his kids).

ExDP is furious that I am putting his children’s schooling at risk, jeapodising his contact time (he used to have them here, in my home, which is nice - now it will have to be at his parents, where they can’t stay overnight, until he gets a place of his own, the cost and standard of which he is also concerned about). He says a school trip for one would never have been agreed to if he knew his current financial circumstances and another will have to stop a hobby/sport as again, he can’t afford it. It is an expensive sport, to be fair.

All these decisions were made between exDP and his ex-wife. I was not consulted and didn’t think much of them. If I thought at all, it would have been to assume their parents would have made the decisions after considering their own financial circumstances.

My ex is not clear in what he wants/expects from me - just wanting to rant at me or I’m not sure if he means we should stay together (or just live together, but not be together?) so he can keep financing this, or if he intends to ask for money. I am trying to get my thoughts in order, as I just did not see this coming - AIBU here to break up with exDP and not expect a financial obligation to children that are not mine?

OP posts:
violetlozenge · 20/04/2024 12:33

Kindly, I don’t think you should get involved with anyone else with kids or at least never live with them.

That is not kind.

Kindly, you should read the OP more carefully. The little pets have had experience in sharing their dad with another woman.

Outlookmainlyfair · 20/04/2024 12:34

bunnibee · 20/04/2024 11:57

his remark that 'responsibilities don't just end on your say so' is breathtaking...

This! And your sister rocks! Good luck with your chat. The problem is all his.

IhateSPSS · 20/04/2024 12:35

NOBODY should or has to pay a lump sum payment to end a relationship that isn't a marriage/legally bound contract. I've had 5 'serious' relationships and if I'd had to pay a lump sum every time I'd be bankrupt. It is just a relationship that isn't working for you. Fuck that. Don't part with your money. You'll kick yourself in 5 years if you hand it over. I promise you will regret it.

PrueRamsay · 20/04/2024 12:35

Be prepared for a huge guilt trip he will try to lay on you OP.

He doesn't deserve a penny more of your money. Steel yourself. Don't agree to anything, and leave if you feel bullied or overwhelmed.

Good luck.

ABirdsEyeView · 20/04/2024 12:37

I wouldn't meet him - he just wants to guilt trip you in person, since you weren't home this morning.
Honestly, this isn't comparable to him and his ex wife splitting up - they had shared children. You don't! It's not your responsibility to deal with any impact on them. You've always been kind and treated them well - that's where your responsibility began and ended. The rest is for the parent to do!

I would text him that there's nothing further to discuss - it's done. Don't give him the opportunity to ambush you

RainIsCosy · 20/04/2024 12:37

What practical steps going forward could he possibly need to discuss? Oh, I know, you funding his kids that are not your responsibility and only the responsibility of him and the kids' mother.

I worry for you going to this meeting and hope you will take someone with you. I'm betting the kids will be there.

tinytemper66 · 20/04/2024 12:37

They want you to find their children's lifestyle! Clear as day!

adultchildofalcoholicparents · 20/04/2024 12:38

I’ve thought about it, and I do think the mature, dignified thing to do is to meet ExDP and have the final conversation, making it clear this resolves/settles everything (both relationship wise and furniture and money wise) and further texts or calls or video messages are not welcome

Your instincts are honourable and being used to undermine you.

Your boundaries are being transgressed by a master manipulator.

You've made clear statements. There is no need for anything beyond texts and arrangements to pick up the bedding and furniture.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 20/04/2024 12:38

Turning up an hour early was yet another erosion of your boundaries

He'd probably twigged that OP might have someone else there and wished to forestall it - or to put it another way, I need to be able to browbeat OP uninterrupted

Ttrees · 20/04/2024 12:39

The financial side sounds messy for them but they will have to adjust.

I do think I would have tried to handle a separation with the children in mind. They had no warning and no chance to spend final time in the place that has been a second home - other than to pack up without you even there. I really don’t think I would handle an ending with children like that. Your ex has no time to prepare the children or plan to minimise the impact on them.

However badly behaved they have been I expect you have been important to them OP.

I hope the posts here don’t leave you feeling worse long term. Just because they have slipped into taking the financial benefits for granted doesn’t mean that is all you meant to them or to your ex at all. He may be hurting and in shock but has decide focused on the practicalities.

I wonder if everyone leaping in being supportive have actually devalued your entire relational.

Teledeluxe · 20/04/2024 12:39

Amybelle88 · 20/04/2024 11:56

OP, just to say - I think you're lovely 🥰

That’s very clear, and so is her sister and brother in law. 😀

Angelsrose · 20/04/2024 12:39

Absolutely no more money to this man @3LemonsAndLime he has had more than enough from you and needs to find his own solutions. I'm presuming he also has his own family (parents, siblings) who can help him out. I think it's outrageous for him to suggest you owe him anything at all. Clearly you work hard for your money, don't give it away to this ungrateful man and his ungrateful kids.

Alwaysdieting · 20/04/2024 12:40

Please dont meet him for coffee today he had his stuff what else does he need to tell him its over.
He is going to be really desperate if you meet him.
Please do not give him any money its like your paying him off and please dont give him money for his nasty kids, he made all those arrangements without your say so so its not your problem.
He is a selfish bastard and im sorry you had him in your life.

GoingDownLikeBHS · 20/04/2024 12:41

I think the update is quite chilling and I don’t think OP should meet him anywhere at all regardless.

whynotwhatknot · 20/04/2024 12:42

your responibilites? who does he thinks he is saying that-souns like a gaslighter

if the dc are there walk away

notofsoundmind · 20/04/2024 12:42

DO NOT GO🙄

IhateSPSS · 20/04/2024 12:43

Plus, he's a terrible father for making his tween DC do a begging video, dragging his DC into an awkward situation this morning and exposing them to a break up. This is adult shit they don't need to be involved in. This alone should have turned off any positive feelings you have towards him. He's a horror. Keep that front and centre in your mind when dealing with him.

DancingFerret · 20/04/2024 12:43

Thank you for taking the time to update, OP. I'm just adding my voice to that of your sister and those who've said don't give him, and by extension, his children, another penny.

Judging by what you've said, while the relationship might have started out on a romantic note for you, from the outside looking in it appears to have been a very calculated move on his part.

I hope you will recover soon; there really are some very good men out there who will appreciate your good nature and sensitivity.

LemonySnickets · 20/04/2024 12:43

I wouldn't be arranging to meet him. Whether or not he turns up with the kids. You've ended it, as you're entitled to do. There's nothing more to say. All he's going to do is try to manipulate you into handing over cash or moving back in. So what's the point? I'd send one last message then block.

Dareisayiseethesunshine · 20/04/2024 12:44

Not sure if anyone else has thought of /mentioned it but watch out for the 'but I was just about to propose to you' speech....

Greywitch2 · 20/04/2024 12:44

theholesinmyapologies · 20/04/2024 12:18

He also generally raised the issue of the split and the impact on the children, suggesting I was overreacting and needed to calm down and understand I had responsibilities that didn’t just end on my say-so.

This sense of entitlement to your time/money/home and his position that his children are your 'responsibility' to house, fund, deal with is astounding! Not to mention is lack of understanding that it takes 2 to want a relationship, not 1, and you're out.

I wouldn't meet with him. He's showing you he's going to try to manipulate you into keeping him and his children, and he's likely to show up with them. The fact that he sent a video of them 'apologising' as he did is horrifying!

If you do feel you have to meet him, take your sister, and leave if he's brought the children.

Absolutely this. He is behaving disgracefully, and I feel particularly enraged on your behalf that he is patronising enough to keep reinforcing the idea that you are a silly woman who has over-reacted! The attitude of 'calm down dear' gives me Michael Winner vibes and I am furious with the condescension of 'you have responsibilities that don't just end on your say so'.

Of course you can end this relationship. You made it clear that your finances were separate as was your home. He was happy with that. It sounds like you made it clear you were finding his children rude and toxic and he did little to change their attitude. You said that you had thought things over calmly and ultimately come to the decision that you no longer wanted your life (and particularly your weekends) to continue like this. And then you told him your decision.

If he is trying to once again guilt trip you with the girls just walk away and let your sister go tell him, 'Unfortunately there won't be a final adult discussion between you now. It was manipulative to bring your children and made clear that this was not acceptable so @3LemonsAndLime has said all that needs to be said now. Please don't contact her again'.

If I was your sister (who sounds as lovely as you) I'd actually be giving a hard stare to the DC and saying, 'You were SO rude and unpleasant during weekends that understandably my sister had enough of your behaviour in her home. Perhaps you need to think about this' . I'm not sure why everyone is shielding them and desperately pretending that it's not due to the way they have treated you that you are not prepared to tolerate this any longer. They are perfectly old enough to be confronted with this fact.

You have bent over backwards to be fair and just and kind. Please don't for a minute let any of them take any more advantage of you.

JudgeJ · 20/04/2024 12:46

HarrietPierce · 20/04/2024 12:26

Dareisayiseethesunshine · Today 12:02
""You have no responsibility for his dc.. Giving him a one off payment will give him the green light to continue to bleed you."

Exactly this.

A one-off payment will establish in his mind a responsibility for the OP to keep paying, nothing at all will tell him otherwise.

Make sure he pays for the coffee and have the biggest cake in the place!

Binman · 20/04/2024 12:46

You haven’t mentioned what sent you over the edge with his DC’s. He probably thinks you are exaggerating as so many parents don’t see the problem and thinks it’s a passing phase and he expected you to put up with it until it improved.

That and the finances show that he totally took you for granted. Whatever his DC’s will no longer have will be on his head. He has assumed you would always be there to subsidise him indefinitely, both financially and emotionally by tolerating his DC’s poor behaviour.

I can see why you are considering making a payment to smooth the transition, but really he should have had a plan in place. How was he for generally setting boundaries with his DC’s as he doesn’t seem to have any himself?

Good Luck

ArcaneWireless · 20/04/2024 12:47

theholesinmyapologies · 20/04/2024 12:33

Offering him money will make him feel entitled to more of it. He'll view it as you admitting you owe him something.

You don't.

Don't offer or give him any money.

He has some place he can stay: his mum's. Alternatively, suggest he can move back in with his ex- if she's so outraged by your unwillingness to take house and financial responsibility for their children now that you've ended things. That will shut them both up no doubt.

Please don't go alone if you do meet with him. Your sister can be in the coffee shop.

All this.

Keep yer purse shut.

Angelsrose · 20/04/2024 12:47

Ttrees · 20/04/2024 12:39

The financial side sounds messy for them but they will have to adjust.

I do think I would have tried to handle a separation with the children in mind. They had no warning and no chance to spend final time in the place that has been a second home - other than to pack up without you even there. I really don’t think I would handle an ending with children like that. Your ex has no time to prepare the children or plan to minimise the impact on them.

However badly behaved they have been I expect you have been important to them OP.

I hope the posts here don’t leave you feeling worse long term. Just because they have slipped into taking the financial benefits for granted doesn’t mean that is all you meant to them or to your ex at all. He may be hurting and in shock but has decide focused on the practicalities.

I wonder if everyone leaping in being supportive have actually devalued your entire relational.

Hmm. The fact that the ex-DP immediately brought up the financial implications shows his priorities. It's interesting that in general women are portrayed as gold-diggers when it's often men who are and very manipulative with it. The op has done absolutely nothing wrong. She already ensured her ex-DP had most of his disposable income to do with as he pleased, if he didn't make adequate provisions it's definitely his problem, not hers. I think it's completely absurd to suggest the op should have any financial responsibility for kids that aren't hers when they have 2 parents who are able to work. The parents over-extended themselves financially, relying on money that wasn't theirs. It's a totally ludicrous approach to life as they've found to their cost.

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