Free Movement with EU for young people?

[Kendodd]

Would you support?
YANBU = Yes
YABU = No

BBC News - EU proposes some free movement for UK young people
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68848046

Good. Brexit really shafted young people. Im glad there'll be a chance for more opportunity for them, without me me me elders who either voted for Brexit or didnt get off their backside to vote at all and didnt give a single damn about the Brexit negative impact on younger generations, being included

Exactly, young people are treated like shit in this country. Education, housing, sure start etc. The Tory’s have made it very clear their priority is pensioners and red wallers. Surely the fairest conclusion should be that the red wallers stay trapped here to facilitate pensioners. The young people who never got a chance to vote for this can have their freedoms back.

If it pisses off the pro-Brexit lobby, I'm in favour.

Would totally support. What is there here any longer for our young people? The country is in terminal decline and like hell should they be funding our ageing population, many of whom have sizeable means to be funding themselves AND have lived their lives with the freedoms that have been removed from those without a voice.

Lots of countries have individual youth mobility visa -we did before brexit. It benefits both sides as we get enthusiastic cheap workers who are transient, but they need to get something out of it too.

Questions and answers on the Commission's proposal to open negotiations on EU-UK youth mobility

Could a UK national move from one Member State to another under the proposed agreement? What would be the rules for this intra-EU mobility?

The envisaged agreement would not grant intra-EU mobility rights. The admission of a UK national by a Member State under the envisaged agreement would only be valid for that Member State.

That's a bit much - we might as well stick to negotiating bilateral deals similar to the France/Canada deal - with limited quotas.

(Further in the link it says;
the UK's Youth Mobility Scheme is based on limited quotas that the UK adjusts depending on its outbound interests and overall migration levels.)

Why are you proposing an agreement at the EU level? Why not a collection of parallel bilateral deals at the level of the Member States?

Only an EU-level approach will ensure that all Member States are treated equally in respect of mobility of young people to the UK. This is one of the key considerations of the 2018 European Council guidelines on relations with the UK.
Parallel negotiations by Member States neither guarantee that the UK would be interested in reaching an agreement with each Member State nor would they guarantee that each Member State would be treated equally.

The European Council have only issued guidelines then - clearly not enough to prevent bilateral deals with individual member states of our choosing with limited quotas.

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/qanda_24_2109

Most young Brits can't leave the Uk, except on a package holiday, because they don't have any/enough language skills to get a casual job. Whereas, on holiday, I have yet to meet a Portuguese petrol pump attendant or check out operator, under 45, who can't manage just enough English to be helpful.

Yanbu.
And its really annoyed me that it's being dismissed.

@Ohnoitsfinallyhappened

Can't you go to Spain for a summertrip on a British passport?
I haven't had any problems?

@Crispyturtle

Maybe European youth feel the same about UK?
Right now UK is very closed too for foreign kids.

Our children are dual citizens UK/European country and lots of their European friends envy that they have rights in UK that they can only dream about after Brexit.

I expect it was to work...

@bombastix

A lot of European students have a very good education.
Have you seen the state of primary and secondary schools in UK today?
Most schools in Europe are far better these days. Yes UK has a few decent universities but so does the European countries.

@bombastix do you know much about education in different European countries?

English universities are European and world leaders. If you want to go to a world leading university your choice in Europe is England or Switzerland. Brexit has changed quite a lot but the university sector is still world leading. No comparison

@Exasperatednow

I thought as well.
Work isn't btw always that easy to come by for young Brits in the European countries not able to speak the local language/s.
Youth unemployment is pretty high around Europe. Of course it's easier if you are educated and trained but still - a language issue.

I met a lot of young Brits at Danish universities as a student because of the no fees education and the free financial education support before Brexit. Denmark has cut down on studies at universities taught in English because the numbers of students from other countries were too high.

I voted Leave, on the instruction of my then 17 year old son, and actually I think it was probaby the correct call, albeit over the very long term. The EU's Covid recovery fund looks like an abyss of public spending. Quite glad we got out ahead of that. Look at the figures on Google. The wealth transfer/snatch is not favouring lower income people.

Staying on to talk about university: mainland Europe had no slot among the top 20 worldwide. United states, mainly East Coast Ivies, with enough money to fund the most promising students. The UK has several, and compared to the US, where uni tuition fees can hit $80k per year or more, it's relatively inexpensive. Not European Community country has a university considered world-class.

@bombastix

I don't think a lot of Europeans are that worried tbh.
Universities in UK 2024 are for the few rich families able to pay.
Not average European youth.
The rich families will find their ways. Don't worry.

Yes

Why would I be worried? The EU would like some cheaper deals. Ultimately the EU states don't have university education that is comparable.

@MumChp UK uni is absolutely not only for the rich, or famous. Kid yourself all you like, but it is, and should be, for the clever... preferably the very very clever. The harder it is to get in, the better. University should be elitist, because it's part of the filter. It should be possible to get in at other points too.

I don't think a lot of Europeans are that worried tbh. (quoted)

They blinking well should worry. The Anglosphere punches far above its weight in every field of science. And the arts. Which suggests that a % of overseas students are admitted to fund the other home students. A god-daughter is currently taking an MA in fashion at the RCA. Her opinion of the overseas students on her course is that most are lazy slackers, spending their parents money to buy a qualification.

I don't think just because Brexit has been a disaster politically that we need to rewrite the facts that are in favour of the U.K. One of these things is the universities we have. I would be really pleased for my children to get their education here and then seek opportunities wherever available.

I am completely scathing of the current government and their treatment of the young, but not to the exclusion of facts. Mercifully we still have some things they have not messed up.

@Papyrophile

Oh, yes untill you have to pay fees, books, trips overseas, housing and food.
Elitist is very often = rich.

@Papyrophile

And yet European countries work out just fine (not worse than UK tbh) with most of the youth educated at European universities.

A lot of (most) hardworking brilliant European youth will never be able to spend their parents' money at your kid's course. The parents can't afford sending them to UK.

On our god-daughter's masters course intake, the % of home/uk students is under 25%, so the ones that have made it through to this stage were generally those considered exceptionally good.