Free Movement with EU for young people?

[Kendodd]

Would you support?
YANBU = Yes
YABU = No

BBC News - EU proposes some free movement for UK young people
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68848046

And yet the Tories are also to blame for Brexit...

@HannibalHeyes

"And yet the Tories are also to blame for Brexit."

Actually it's 17 million UK citizens that voted for Brexit who are to blame for Brexit.

And it's 14 million voters who are to blame for the conservatives by voting for for Boris Johnson in full knowledge that he was an established liar and then for some reason complained when he was in power and PM that he was a liar.

Who decided to hold an ill-thought-out referendum? And then decided to front the campaign even though he was obviously unpopular?

Come on, joined up thinking please...

I think you need to give some credit to Jeremy Corbyn - he's been an inspiration:

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/828585/Brexit-news-Jeremy-Corbyn-anti-European-Union-1996-Michel-Barnier-Labour-Party

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2011/oct/25/mp-voted-for-eu-referendum
(2011 - 19 Labour rebels, Jeremy Corbyn, Islington North... )

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-brexit-eu-lisbon-treaty-europe-empire-military-video-a8766421.html

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-jeremy-corbyn-video-eu-defeat-labour-party-speech-world-bankers-a8774426.html

https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/jeremy-corbyn-brexit-will-stop-cheap-foreign-labour-undercutting-british-workers-pay-54506

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jan/19/corbyn-to-impose-three-line-whip-on-labour-mps-to-trigger-article-50

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Surely you mean we have the Tories to thank for brexit and the sunlit uplands they've delivered for us all?

Alot of people over 25 didnt vote for it either.

A country gets the government it deserves, in between apathy and schadenfreude. Will be interesting to see who Brexiters and supporters expect to look after them when they're old. Will it be the younger generations they dissed, or the immigrants they hate? I hope neither materialise as the help. & I doubt they will. Times have changed, and reversed. This isn't Great Britain anymore. There's a lot of delusion on this thread. The same as the farmers and the Grimsby crew who metaphorically shot themselves in the foot - you'll learn you're not the centre of the world

But ... but... but

a tall dark stranger rode into town, and promised us the world and it wouldn't cost a bean. How were we to know it was a crock ?

Remain vote for me at the time but I am interested in whether you can have better deals

A country within the EU can have individual youth movement schemes with those outside can’t it?

We’ve had Aus / UK set up for ages, certainly before Brexit

Kendodd
Surely you mean we have the Tories to thank for brexit and the sunlit uplands they've delivered for us all?

You clearly voted the wrong way. My household recently took possession of a new car - it's very sunny - it has a sunroof.

Funny how no one admits to voting for it but somehow 17.5 million people did. They can't all be dead.

@DramaLlamaBangBang

"Funny how no one admits to voting for it but somehow 17.5 million people did. They can't all be dead."

Seriously - after what has happened no one in their right mind would admit to have voted for Brexit.

My two sisters and their adult kids voted for brexit. Only one sister still stubbornly persists and calls people traitors. My neice and her husband bitterly regret it. Her mum embarrassingly thinks it wasn't great.

Well any sunlit uplands will not arrive in the next 9 months so its really irrelevant. We just have to watch the government putrefy in front of our eyes.

Country is in a bad way. We need some new ideas and fresh plans. It's not written in the stars that we will keep declining but we had better do better than this otherwise the future looks pretty grim.

I do not want get into discussion about who was right, who was wrong, but regarding all worries about EU's unemployment rates and desire for British Universities....

Well, British universities are not really that desired in EU as some seem to believe.
German and Scandinavian Unis for STEM subjects are the first choice. Humanities are more varied but still UK is not the first country that comes to mind. Law degree form Britain for most Europeans would be useless. Not only because continental Europe is rooted in Roman tradition, but also because the whole approach to teaching law is different. Thus, even international law is done differently. Summer school would be enough to learn basic if needed in their practice on the continent - standard with american law.

Regarding unemployment, what happened in 2004 won't happen again.
When Blair opened the boarder unemployment rate in Poland was around 20%. Now it is lower than in the UK.

Now, the highest rates of youth unemployment are in Spain, Italy, Greece and Sweden. It would be, for many different reasons, easier and more natural for them to go to Germany. The thing you are scared about happened because UK was, back then, the only available destination and the biggest of newly jointed member was in a different place. It was 20 years ago and situation really has changed. In fact, Poland now became a destination for migrants herself.

@bombastix

"Country is in a bad way. We need some new ideas and fresh plans. It's not written in the stars that we will keep declining but we had better do better than this otherwise the future looks pretty grim."

At every election the mood of the electorate is often "I'm going to vote for [current opposition] because the Government is so bad for xyz reasons and [current opposition] can't be any worse when they are in power."

Few points to note:
Yes the current opposition can and historically been worse than the preceding Governments.
Voters are voting for the opposition simply because they are not the Government not because they have policies that they particularly agree with.

Yes what concerns me is the absence of plans. Brexit will continue to grow in impact unless we have actual policy and plans to meet those needs we have. It could easily get a lot worse. The Conservatives trade agenda has totally failed and domestically we don't have any policy to support business. Unforgivable when you think it was all their idea. It's a bad situation which has actually been willfully done.

But the Labour party can't announce too many actually useful plans because the Tory press will immediately be on about "Enemies of the people" and "traitors" and all that other nonsense that an unfortunate number of idiots people seem to lap up.

That said, I'm not overly optimistic about what they'll do in regard to Brexshit, but at least they won't be as bloody-mindedly dogmatic about it. And hopefully they will actually come up with some policies for the common good rather than just to line the pockets of their donors...

I get all of that re Labour. But we better have one. Brexit was designed to make everything harder on the UK in terms of growing its immediate economy with its neighbours. It is the literal shit sandwich that will only get shittier for us unless we make changes to it.

The thing is, surely even the Conservative party realises it needs a period in opposition to sort itself out? It's riven with division, MP resigning all over the place, 3 leaders over one 5 year term, an electoral base well over the age of 60, no ideas apart from some dead cat Rwanda rabble rousing. What on earth will they do that they haven't done in the last 15 years in office?
Yes, there is a possibility that things could get even worse ( although I'm not sure how), but all parties need a good kicking now and then to stop them getting complacent. Will the Tories suddenly think 'oh good we've got another chance, let's do lots of great things' or will they carry on business as usual declining further and further and taking us all down with them? A good period in opposition would give them a chance to regroup, have a good cull of MPs, probably circling through the alt right but at least they may have a chance to be electable again. We need credible parties on all sides with a chance of winning elections to have any semblance of a democracy. Especially under FPTP.

@deragod The bit you are overlooking when suggesting that young unempoyed/student Europeans would prefer to go to Germany (under FOM, there's nothing to prevent them) is the language pull. English is the global second language and the first foreign language taught in school. It is far and away the most widely spoken language, with Spanish in second place.

The thing is, surely even the Conservative party realises it needs a period in opposition to sort itself out?

A lot of political commentators have noted that the Tory parties entire raison d'etre is to stop any other party ruling. anything else is a bonus.