Free Movement with EU for young people?

[Kendodd]

Would you support?
YANBU = Yes
YABU = No

BBC News - EU proposes some free movement for UK young people
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68848046

They can, but that isn't what the current proposal is (just checked) and tbh they wouldn't necessarily find it an easy sell in the Council without reciprocity, even on a QMV basis.

bombastix · Today 10:44
MrsSkylerWhite · Today 10:36

Yes but we should all have it. Should never have left and need to rejoin as soon as they’ll have us.
Honestly in all my dealings with EU officials they are extremely canny people. This arrangement is better economically for them then having to take pensioners or older people.

Indeed, which is precisely why we ought never to have left.

Could you explain the “true history and politics behind it”? I’m fascinated.

This may be a proposal designed to make the EU seem reasonable, just before the latest customs changes come in.

Lol, what 2 things even?

Also, do you know about the issues with the Covid Recovery Fund? As we were net contributors we would have had to pay for that.

https://www.ft.com/content/d4fb8828-87e9-4509-b2a4-852728f39064

What are you trying to say here?

cant read this - paywall

@bombastix

"Honestly in all my dealings with EU officials they are extremely canny people. This arrangement is better economically for them then having to take pensioners or older people"

It would be interesting to see how the UK would react if it wasn't reciprocal and just UK 18-30s could move to the EU. They couldn't prevent young people going to the EU.

I can see an economic upside in it for the EU as it is selective migration of young educated net taxpayers rather than anyone including older net tax beneficiaries.

Yes, I think it would be a good idea. The Youth Mobility Scheme visa is based on reciprocal arrangements, which is why the countries who are included so far are so random (Canada, Australia, NZ, Monaco, Japan, Iceland, South Korea, Uruguay, Andorra, San Marino). It used to be known as the working holiday visa.

An expansion of the Scheme to EU countries has been suggested for many years by immigration lawyers. It's not a long term visa i.e. it cannot be extended past the 2 years, and time spent in the category does not count towards permanent residency.

This will solve all the Mumsnet au pair problems..

It doesn’t look like one way is even wanted by the EU anyway

Presumably they wish to have the benefit of movement to the U.K.

It’s brilliant. They deserve the changes that older generations had.

Obviously what I’d like is our membership back and free movement for everyone. But this is a good first step.

Younger people overwhelmingly voted to remain. Or weren’t eligible to vote at the time. It’s criminal that their freedom of movement was ripped away from them by dishonest politicians and people who were either misled or ill intentioned themselves.

What about the "young talent" themselves, shouldn't they get any say in where they live and work? Rhetorical question really, because people with in-demand skills can usually find a way to move abroad, even in cases where more "ordinary' people would struggle. This scheme would potentially extend the same opportunity to people without those in-demand qualifications, depending on the details of any eventual scheme of course.

I don't think the aim is necessarily to poach British talent. The EU already has the entire third world at its disposal to supply it with doctors, nurses, whatever. I think this is more of a soft power exercise, combined with gaining easier access to language exchanges and higher education. Language exchanges sound like a small thing but they are actually a huge priority: my DD1's lycée has had to resort to "English' exchanges in Poland (!) whereas a private school I used to work in sends its pupils to Ireland or Malta, either of which might be financially difficult for families in the state sector.

So we're behind, er, Germany.

Remind me which trading bloc they're a member of again?

Before the EU people did manage to travel and work in Europe

Ignorant trope no. 789456123...

That doesn't really make sense. If he's British, he can come back anytime he wishes.

You are probably referring to his wife, who would need an spouse visa

I don't like this.

It's cherry picking from the elements of being members of the EU.

I think the U.K. should feel the full icy blast of being totally out of the EU.

It's this kind of special treatment that leads to a sense of entitlement that led to the utterly cretinous act of Brexit.

@1dayatatime - I think what the EU want is access to English language training and universities. They miss this.

But they are not stupid. Young people are more mobile and generally healthier than their older citizens. British students have a very good education. It is a good opportunity for our children and economically they will contribute not take. Win win for them.

You've answered your own question there. "The issues we have with housing" make the UK an unappealing prospect for anything more than a brief stay. The housing crisis is the main reason why I left the UK.

Yeah, what kind of weirdo wants to live in the same country as their spouse, anyway?

That's UK policy, not EU policy. You need to sort it out yourselves. And from what I can see, there's no will on either side of the spectrum.

I see your point and partly agree. However, there's a good pragmatic case for building closer ties, and while I don't think this is some kind of stealth rejoining strategy, it might pave the way for fuller integration at a more propitious moment. Or it might not, but at least it throws a lifeline to some of the innocent victims of shitty Tory policy over the last few years. I left just before the end of the transition period, and I'm morally uneasy about the idea of pulling the ladder up behind me. We owe the young 'uns!

Well l didn't vote for Brexit. When l was younger l travelled and worked all over Europe for many months..
Can't do that now.