Free Movement with EU for young people?

[Kendodd]

Would you support?
YANBU = Yes
YABU = No

BBC News - EU proposes some free movement for UK young people
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68848046

Just warn them not to fall in love with any Europeans while they are there: they won’t be able to move back to the UK as a couple unless one of them is earning over £38,000 a year.

It's worth bearing in mind the UK can't really stop it. So while debate is good, it wouldn't necessarily change anything.

Fully support.

Hopefully, this will be the first tentative step on a long road back to sanity in our relationship with the EU after the Labour government takes office.

Labour’s response to this proposal from the Commission has been very unenthusiastic, but that’s inevitable pre-election political positioning because they can’t afford to alienate the ‘red wall’ voters they desperately need who are considering going back to Labour ahead of the election.

Fully support this. Especially as it means all those hard working European young people will do the 'menial, beneath them' jobs that their British counterparts seem unable or unwilling to do. I might be able to recruit a decent, reliable, hardworking waiter or kitchen assistant again.

This is daft. The EU can do what it likes in respect of visa admissions. It is not like we can tell them no!

A good idea however that will probably benefit young British citizens.

Yes, I think its a good idea.
We will get our girls Irish passports, which will give then greater freedom in the EU than the UK passport, but this option should be open to all young people

@frankentall
@titchy

"It's about our young people going to EU though, not theirs coming here."

"Are you sure? I imagine it would be reciprocal surely?"

Hmmm this raises an interesting question of what if the EU did it unilaterally. Targeting young educated workers on a two or three year freedom of movement.

These young UK workers would typically contribute more in taxation to those EU countries than they take out. It could help those countries fill skill shortages and you could even throw in a massive incentive to the young educated UK workers that if they stay for 3 years then they would be eligible for that country's passport or a permanent right to live and work in the EU (plus they wouldn't have to pay back UK student loans)

The UK would then have a choice of granting the same rights to the UK which effectively means freedom of movement is back, or the prospect of large numbers of young educated workers going off to the EU or the highly impractical / probably illegal option of somehow physically preventing the young educated UK workers from leaving.

Now that would put the cat amongst the pigeons!!

My DCs have EU and UK passports so they are OK but I absolutely think every young person in the UK should have this, they had no say in these rights being removed from them - largely by people who are unaffected by it or are no longer with us.

I don't think you get it.

This isn't about allowing [young] people from the EU into the UK.

This is about the EU allowing young people from the UK into the EU.

If you are relying on young UK workers, your problems could get a whole lot worse.

Yeh I’m wondering about this non reciprocal version., we see an outflow but not replaced

Yes. Such a shame I've missed the boat. 😢

It's the will of the people.

Sounds an excellent idea with select countries where the numbers will flow equally in both directions. Perhaps not where traffic will be all one way ( towards the U.K.)

Well you can see the attraction. You can probably start to regain EU citizenship via something like this. The EU are crafty! They want nice economically useful British people and not those who voted for Brexit! This is how they do things.

Yes but we should all have it. Should never have left and need to rejoin as soon as they’ll have us.

It was also my dream to retire to Spain. I read that Spain are looking to increase the 90 day limit.... let's just rejoin entirely, that would make much more sense. Won't happen though.

I thought we held all the cards ?

I thought the Commission proposal was based on reciprocity.

"The objective would be to facilitate youth exchanges, making it easier for young citizens to travel, work and live in the UK, with reciprocity for young UK nationals in a member state," said the Commission, in a statement.

From here

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/eu-proposing-post-brexit-joint-youth-work-and-study-scheme-with-uk-13118080

It appears to be reciprocal atm

They will offer it. If the UK chooses not to agree, they can still go ahead.

If it results in a lot of young, intelligent, keen UK citizens firing up the EU economy, I am sure they can deal with it. If nothing else it would make it a lot easier for EU youngsters to learn English natively.

@SerendipityJane I do get it thanks!
They are looking at reciprocal agreements. The whole reason the proposal came about was to do with the inability to carry out Youth Exchanges, i.e. where young EU people come here and our young people go to an EU country.
My understanding is the initial proposition would be an agreement where UK and EU 18-30 year olds can go to their destination country for up to 4 years. Obviously it will be done on a country by country basis, but I cant see why many countries wouldnt want to agree to it. So fingers crossed it gets the green light.

Honestly in all my dealings with EU officials they are extremely canny people. This arrangement is better economically for them then having to take pensioners or older people.

Yes absolutely, although I would prefer to rejoin the EU and see a return to full freedom of movement for everyone. Lost opportunities for young people to work and live in the EU was one of the worst things (on a very long list) about Brexit.

Well until we oust team Rish, it's all hypothetical anyway.

Maybe concentrate on fixing the NHS, housing, roads, transport, schools,

Apology accepted thank you :-)
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