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AIBU to tell my daughter to come back home after living abroad?

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TeaAddicted · 18/04/2024 14:44

My eldest daughter is 22 and lives in a country she has always wanted to since she was a teenager. She knew I would miss her when she moved, so at first she said she was only going for a short time to go travelling. But now she seems to be staying put in this country. One of her friends from school is also out there with her and they decided to go together.

She phoned me a few days ago for a chat and told me something worrying. Apparently she’s been working in a ‘hostess bar’ where she speaks to men and serves them drinks. I was a bit upset about this because she’d told me at first that she’d been teaching English and had told my ex-husband (her dad) the truth about the hostess job. To me, it seems similar to escorting and I’m not comfortable with her being in that environment, probably being leered at by older men.

I only found out because she told her dad that one of the clients, a man in his late 30s, seems obsessed with her and that he followed her back to where she lives. Ex-husband told me and then my daughter confirmed it during the phone call. I told her that she’s in a dangerous situation as this man knows where she lives and anything could happen. I told her to report him to the police and to make plans to come back home where her family are. She told me she doesn’t want to report it as she doesn’t have the right work visa and it could mess things up for her/ get her into trouble.

I have a younger school-aged daughter who has now become aware of this situation because she heard my ex-husband talking about it with me and now she’s asking questions and worrying. I don’t know what to say to her because I can’t sleep at night thinking about this.

I’m upset with my ex-husband and my older daughter because both have been dishonest and I suspect they’re still not telling me everything that’s going on. She has always been close to both of us but more so to him because he moved out when she was young and has always been the weekend parent who gave her all the treats and fun trips, while I was working and trying to support the children.

Ex-husband has told her to be careful, tell her boss about the man and to tell us if the man causes any problems. He says she’s an adult and we shouldn’t interfere. But I don’t think that’s good enough. I’m terrified that this strange man will cause her harm. I want her to come home and have been arguing with her dad about this since I found out. I know she kept things from me to stop me worrying but that’s caused even more worry. Her dad is quite irresponsible anyway (that's another story) and is dismissing what I'm saying to him about this.

I’ve asked my partner if we can use our savings to book a flight there for a visit. At least then I’ll be close to her and can help with the situation because I feel powerless here.

AIBU to tell her to come home and end her travels early? I know she’s an adult but it’s hard to sit back and do nothing when you feel that your child could be in a dangerous situation.

OP posts:
determinedtomakethiswork · 24/04/2024 06:58

In similar sorts of conversations with my ex-husband I said to him that I would only speak to him when he was prepared to put our daughter's well-being above his own convenience.

He did come round.

sashh · 24/04/2024 07:12

It is incredibly common for UK, Australian and American young women to work in hostess bars.

It is also virtually 100% of the hostesses are on tourist visas.

Has she been to any other parts of Japan? You both might be happier with her somewhere else.

My carer loves Japan and has been a few times. Culturally they have these odd hostess / maid bars that is difficult to explain.

I don't think just turning up would be a good idea OP. A visit is fine but just turning up might end your relationship. At the moment she is in touch and being honest with you, you do not want to spoil that.

She could take a TEFL course in Japan and then teach English.

Snowplop · 24/04/2024 07:48

I lived in Japan for a long time a long time ago and could easily have slipped into he same kind of work as your daughter had circumstances been different. I got a job teaching in an English conversation school a few days after arriving and after a few trips to Korea to extend my tourist visa I got a working visa and continued teaching for 10+ years. I think she's in the wrong place with the wrong circle of friends. Can you visit and travel with her to different cities? She may be able to very quickly settle in another part of the country. I'm biased but Kyoto is absolutely wonderful.

HollaHolla · 24/04/2024 08:10

I worked a Summer as a language assistance in the JET Scheme, in the 1990s (so, a lifetime ago!) - but a lot of the girls were offered cash in hand work in this type of bar. We thought we were all young and invincible in those days (and I did this myself for a short while, when I first moved to Australia - although I did have a correct work visa.) I think that all you can do, is speak with her about the concerns you have - so, the type of work she is doing; and the fact it seems that she doesn't actually have a work visa. (If I've read your posts correctly....)

If you can go and visit/have a holiday with her, you can have time to properly discuss it all - and see the situation. I'm certainly not advocating for her to continue with your blessing/support, but I wonder if you can point out some things - gently - whilst you were there with her.

I think the main concern remains about her safety, so you should really press that home. But, when it comes down to it, she is an adult.

ageratum1 · 24/04/2024 08:54

Medschoolmum · 24/04/2024 06:55

But what do you think the OP can do by going out there? Are you expecting her to drag her dd kicking and screaming onto a plane home? Ultimately, no matter how worried she might be, her dd is an adult and she will make her own decisions.

Of course the OP will be worried about the fact that her dd has made a series of very poor decisions, but she can't actually control that. She can reason and persuade, and she can offer support with practical stuff, and yes, going out there might shock the dd into thinking a bit more about what she is doing, but in the end, the dd will be free to make her own decision. You can't just tell an adult child what to do.

You can assess whether she is already in a 'bad' situation

Coasters4Life · 24/04/2024 09:06

As infuriating as it might be, I would leave the youngest at home with your DP and ask ex to go with you. I think your daughter having both of her parents there may be better for having that conversation and I wouldn't think going on your own would be the best idea. You won't be allowed in the bar for a start to check it out, I imagine it would be men only, so you could get ex to pose as a customer to go in and see what was actually happening there. Its really scary though, I hope you get her back home.

Snugglemonkey · 24/04/2024 11:25

zeibesaffron · 18/04/2024 18:42

As others have said you can’t force her to come home, I am wondering if you could help ensure she is safe there, just some thoughts - some my niece did when she travelled a few years ago in the far east/ Aus;

  • attack alarms
  • pepper spray
  • ring type doorbell if possible/ renting a room in a property with others or where there is some security
  • ensuring her friends have her on live 360 or snapchat locations
  • have a buddying system so she checks in to someone when she gets to work/ gets home from work
  • walks to and from work with someone
  • can you/ ex give her money so she always uses cabs late a night
  • get the right visa so she isn’t frightened of phoning the police
  • tell her manager - especially if theres an escalation

I would be absolutely the same as you OP in terms of worry, your ex is downplaying this xx

Edited

These suggestions are a great way to support her. If you give her those and tell her you will pay for her to come home any time, you are doing your best. Then leave it be.

Medschoolmum · 24/04/2024 11:42

ageratum1 · 24/04/2024 08:54

You can assess whether she is already in a 'bad' situation

Well, it's pretty clear that she is in a bad situation without actually having to go there. She is working illegally in what is essentially part of the sex industry. The issue is that she has chosen that lifestyle. The OP can express her concern and encourage her dd to rethink, but it doesn't seem likely that the dd is going to listen.

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