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‘Mean girl’

168 replies

backinthebox · 13/04/2024 21:59

I got called a mean girl today. DS was taking part in a team endurance event. He did not get to choose his teammates, the organisers did, and he was teamed up with another boy and 2 girls, we suspect because they wanted his good navigation and teamwork skills to balance out the refusal of the girls to learn or practice.

One of the girl’s mothers was convinced her DD would not finish. She repeatedly said in front of her daughter she did not expect her to finish. I said she would finish - it was a team event and there was no part even starting if you were expecting to bring your whole team down, it was not fair on the others.

They were making good progress and based on the speed they were keeping up we headed down to the finish line to cheer them in. They were only about 10 minutes from the finish line, but did not appear. Find Friends showed them not moving, just out of sight of the finish line, and they stayed there for about 40 minutes. Eventually they appeared over the brow of the hill, in a much bigger group than they had set off in, and sat down. All the members of this group were girls, except for DS and one other boy, and they did not sit down. The organisers and assembled parents were wondering what was going on. They stayed sat down for another 10 minutes, in sight of the finish line, with DS and the other boy standing some way apart from the.

Eventually they got up and crossed the finish. DS had said that they had been going fine until they had caught up with another team made up of all girls, and then they had slowed to the other team’s speed. When they had asked the girls in their team to keep walking, the other team had said they were bullying the girls and would be reported and disqualified. The boys were desperately keen to finish, so they backed off. The girls then started throwing food at them. They had sat down and refused to move in direct response to the pleas from the boys to keep moving - it was a power play move to show they could control whether they crossed the finish line or not.

The mother who thought her daughter wouldn’t finish was delighted with her DD’s performance, and was amazed she had finished at all. Happily telling anyone in earshot that just finishing was more than she had hoped for and that her DD normally refuses to finish any physical activity and has never walked more than a couple of miles before. I replied that perhaps it would do her good to get out and walk a bit more - if she was going to take part in team hiking events knowingly setting out to scupper the team is unfair to the other team members. For this, I was called a mean girl.

AIBU to think that 1. telling your child repeatedly that they are going to fail is probably setting them up to fail, and 2. you don’t put your child onto a team of enthusiastic participants if you know your child is likely to sabotage the other kids’ efforts, and 3. you don’t praise your child when you’ve stood and watched her actively sabotaging her team?

It made me really quite cross, and quite sad for DS and the other boy. I’ve told DS that sometimes you get stuck with team members that you just can’t motivate, and he did well to keep his enthusiasm to the end. I will be making sure he isn’t stuck with the known difficult members next year though.

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hottchocolatte · 13/04/2024 22:01

How old are the children?

backinthebox · 13/04/2024 22:04

hottchocolatte · 13/04/2024 22:01

How old are the children?

12-13.

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Sallyh87 · 13/04/2024 22:05

Some people are more or less physically capable or motivated. That’s life. Surely, this kind of stuff is just for fun? Probably good to get out and meet different kinds of people.

You seem to care an awful lot and do sound a bit mean.

HowDoYouSolveAProblemLikeMyRear · 13/04/2024 22:08

YANBU.

Very unsportswomanlike behaviour from those girls

Elvis1956 · 13/04/2024 22:13

Sallyh87 · 13/04/2024 22:05

Some people are more or less physically capable or motivated. That’s life. Surely, this kind of stuff is just for fun? Probably good to get out and meet different kinds of people.

You seem to care an awful lot and do sound a bit mean.

Are you for real...life is fucking hard, sometimes you need to dig in, sometimes you need to do things you don't like, sometimes you need to work with people you don't like.
Today I watched a kiddie (west country for young man) wander around Wetherspoons picking up the odd glass, ignoring the dirty tables...he was supposed to be working there...if he worked in my pub, I'd kicked his arse through the door..lazy fucker....but that's what you are producing...lazy fuckers.

TheSmallAssassin · 13/04/2024 22:13

You weren't mean, you were honest.

PhuckyNell · 13/04/2024 22:16

You don't know the full story

Cherrysoup · 13/04/2024 22:17

Absolutely taken aback by some pp responses. The girls deliberately sabotaged the team by doing a sit in and refusing to move so close to the finish line. I think they were extremely poorly behaved.

PhuckyNell · 13/04/2024 22:17

Sorry posted to soon

it could be true but equally maybe not - life silks are about learning to deal with situations as they arise

I would not have got into a convo with the mother - that way trouble lies!

Sallyh87 · 13/04/2024 22:18

Elvis1956 · 13/04/2024 22:13

Are you for real...life is fucking hard, sometimes you need to dig in, sometimes you need to do things you don't like, sometimes you need to work with people you don't like.
Today I watched a kiddie (west country for young man) wander around Wetherspoons picking up the odd glass, ignoring the dirty tables...he was supposed to be working there...if he worked in my pub, I'd kicked his arse through the door..lazy fucker....but that's what you are producing...lazy fuckers.

Why are you swearing so much, in a conversation about 12 years doing a fun run? Also can’t really see how it relates to a random pub server.

PersephonePomegranate23 · 13/04/2024 22:26

Yeah, their attitudes stink. Why were they even there in tbe first place, why did the mother think her 12/13 year old would be unable to finish (assuming no disability) and why was she OK with that?!

lemonmeringueno3 · 13/04/2024 22:29

I think it would be interesting to know why the girls wanted to slow down to the pace of the other team. Was someone in that group struggling or needing support?

Also depends on how ds and the other boy went about encouraging them to leave the other team and keep going. Whatever they said, it prompted a sit-in so is it possible they were unkind or disrespectful?

Also wonder what the ramifications of a later finish time were. If a competitive event that led to county finals or some sort of prize, then I can see why you and ds were upset. If it was something like D of E and your finish time means nothing at all, then I can see why the girls might have rejected pressure to go faster than they wanted to.

Ultimately, to be called a mean girl, I think you probably must have sounded a bit mean. Suggesting that one of the participants should 'get out more' does seem rather mean as they are Year 8.

CelesteCunningham · 13/04/2024 23:01

I don't know what happened with the DC, but I do know that an adult slagging off a 12yo is rarely a good look.

minipie · 13/04/2024 23:14

we suspect because they wanted his good navigation and teamwork skills to balance out the refusal of the girls to learn or practice

Sorry but this already makes me think you are a PITA who thinks their child is perfect

DS had said that they had been going fine until they had caught up with another team made up of all girls, and then they had slowed to the other team’s speed. When they had asked the girls in their team to keep walking

I don’t understand this bit. Had the girls in your DS’s team actually stopped, or just slowed to the other all-girl team’s speed? If they had just slowed down, but were still going, then what your DS was doing was not asking them to keep walking but asking them to walk quicker, ie keep going at the previous boy-set pace rather than a pace they were more comfortable with. I’m not surprised they refused to move if this was the scenario. Good on them.

I also don’t think it’s your place to tell a parent their child should do more exercise, although I do agree with you that it’s odd and unhelpful to sign up for a team event that you don’t expect to finish. However her DD did finish so perhaps the mum was just being dramatic for effect.

Screamingabdabz · 13/04/2024 23:15

It would be interesting to hear the other side of the story. This is a bit too binary ‘competitive keen boys are perfect angels and evil sabotaging girls are shit’. I’m sure there is a bigger picture here.

minipie · 13/04/2024 23:27

Indeed. It would be rather odd for a bunch of kids to sit down in protest right near the finish line of a long event, unless the boys had REALLY pissed them off by harrying them to move faster and they wanted to teach them a lesson.

I wonder if the OP’s patent competitiveness may have rubbed off on her son and he was indeed being rather unpleasant to the girls for having slowed down.

backinthebox · 13/04/2024 23:27

Screamingabdabz · 13/04/2024 23:15

It would be interesting to hear the other side of the story. This is a bit too binary ‘competitive keen boys are perfect angels and evil sabotaging girls are shit’. I’m sure there is a bigger picture here.

Fwiw, my DS wouldn’t be able to keep pace with his ultra-competitive big sister. This is not a ‘all boys good, all girls bad’ scenario. However, in this particular situation it was the girls who sat down while the boys wanted to keep walking. DD would have given them a kick up the arse and if that didn’t work she would have left them behind. That would have resulted in disqualification though. DS was very keen to finish as a team.

To the poster who asked if it was something like DoE, where the speed is irrelevant - it was a race. There were prizes for the fastest teams. I am pretty sure DS was not fast enough to win, but he wanted to give it his best shot, and was disappointed to have been teamed with uninterested team mates.

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bombastix · 13/04/2024 23:33

Well it sounds pretty pathetic. It was a competition, not an all shall have prizes. You don't sound mean to me, given this was a race.

AnxiousRabbit · 13/04/2024 23:34

Yeah the girls sound annoying.
But I'm taking a wild guess that this wasn't an Olympic or even national level competition.
The fact the teams were put together by organisers and the girls didn't want to be there tells me this was a one off event and doesn't really count for mich other than a sense of achievement.

So as an adult you bite your tongue and let it go.

I am sure all those girls parents are desperate for them to put more effort it and get enjoyment from it....but they are 13 Yr old girls....they will do what they like. And I am thinking that mum was looking for any sliver of effort/achievement to heap praise on to try and spark her child do go a little bit further next time.....instead of being negative and turning her off completely.

backinthebox · 13/04/2024 23:42

@AnxiousRabbit if you think it is a one off event, how will anyone be encouraged to try harder next time? There won’t be a next time if it’s one off. (It’s not a one off btw, it’s a well known annual event, been going for decades.)

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HunterDuke · 13/04/2024 23:43

I don't think you are mean at all. Just honest. Having been a volunteer at many sport and orienteering events around this age, I have seen exactly this behaviour from boys and girls (but in my experience, mostly girls). Also seen parents instill some odd restrictions or limitations on their (very capable) kids too, making out like what they are doing is really hard or difficult or epic, or in some way scary or set to fail when all they should be saying is have fun and try your best.

Screamingabdabz · 13/04/2024 23:44

It is unlike a bunch a kids that age to agree to scupper something en masse without there being some perceived injustice or beef at the heart of it. Boys just want the prize, fair enough. Maybe the girls cared more about how each other were feeling as a team at that moment than the outcome of some dumb race.

Allfur · 13/04/2024 23:48

What sort of event was this?

followmyflow · 13/04/2024 23:48

theyre teenage boys. who wants to bet they probably said "something" that prompted the peaceful protest? you sound a bit too involved, leave the young girl alone.

backinthebox · 13/04/2024 23:50

“OP’s patent competitiveness” 🤣🤣🤣 Ah, if only you knew. That competitive streak has taken me to some truly wonderful places and introduced me to the best of friends. I would not be without it. It does also mean I have little time for those who enter a competition with next to no intention of trying to take part. Especially when it’s a team event and they are letting others down. Different matter altogether if they are only letting themselves down.

It does amuse me that some people think a desire to do the best you can is an unseemly trait. I would be embarrassed to know I could do something well but chose not to.

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