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‘Mean girl’

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backinthebox · 13/04/2024 21:59

I got called a mean girl today. DS was taking part in a team endurance event. He did not get to choose his teammates, the organisers did, and he was teamed up with another boy and 2 girls, we suspect because they wanted his good navigation and teamwork skills to balance out the refusal of the girls to learn or practice.

One of the girl’s mothers was convinced her DD would not finish. She repeatedly said in front of her daughter she did not expect her to finish. I said she would finish - it was a team event and there was no part even starting if you were expecting to bring your whole team down, it was not fair on the others.

They were making good progress and based on the speed they were keeping up we headed down to the finish line to cheer them in. They were only about 10 minutes from the finish line, but did not appear. Find Friends showed them not moving, just out of sight of the finish line, and they stayed there for about 40 minutes. Eventually they appeared over the brow of the hill, in a much bigger group than they had set off in, and sat down. All the members of this group were girls, except for DS and one other boy, and they did not sit down. The organisers and assembled parents were wondering what was going on. They stayed sat down for another 10 minutes, in sight of the finish line, with DS and the other boy standing some way apart from the.

Eventually they got up and crossed the finish. DS had said that they had been going fine until they had caught up with another team made up of all girls, and then they had slowed to the other team’s speed. When they had asked the girls in their team to keep walking, the other team had said they were bullying the girls and would be reported and disqualified. The boys were desperately keen to finish, so they backed off. The girls then started throwing food at them. They had sat down and refused to move in direct response to the pleas from the boys to keep moving - it was a power play move to show they could control whether they crossed the finish line or not.

The mother who thought her daughter wouldn’t finish was delighted with her DD’s performance, and was amazed she had finished at all. Happily telling anyone in earshot that just finishing was more than she had hoped for and that her DD normally refuses to finish any physical activity and has never walked more than a couple of miles before. I replied that perhaps it would do her good to get out and walk a bit more - if she was going to take part in team hiking events knowingly setting out to scupper the team is unfair to the other team members. For this, I was called a mean girl.

AIBU to think that 1. telling your child repeatedly that they are going to fail is probably setting them up to fail, and 2. you don’t put your child onto a team of enthusiastic participants if you know your child is likely to sabotage the other kids’ efforts, and 3. you don’t praise your child when you’ve stood and watched her actively sabotaging her team?

It made me really quite cross, and quite sad for DS and the other boy. I’ve told DS that sometimes you get stuck with team members that you just can’t motivate, and he did well to keep his enthusiasm to the end. I will be making sure he isn’t stuck with the known difficult members next year though.

OP posts:
OppsUpsSide · 13/04/2024 23:53

YANBU

GoingUpUpUp · 13/04/2024 23:59

Without knowing what the actual event is I wonder if the mum volunteered her DD in the hope she might be jollied along by other team mates. Nothing wrong with that as an approach if you have tried many other things to motivate a teenager into physical activity they don’t want to do.

I can see why the mum called you that in response to your rather personal comment about a teenager.

ItDoesntHaveToBeDave · 13/04/2024 23:59

Sallyh87 · 13/04/2024 22:18

Why are you swearing so much, in a conversation about 12 years doing a fun run? Also can’t really see how it relates to a random pub server.

Really? You REALLY can't see how the lazy kids sitting down and sabotaging their teammates through a selfish lack of care and concern for others, relates to a lad a few year older doing the bare minimum in his job?

Weird. I can see a direct correlation between the two.

So to help you - the girls lack of effort if not challenged could well end up as a lack of care and effort in more important aspects of their life - like a job. Where more people suffer because of a lazy arsed attitude.

Creakie · 14/04/2024 00:06

I also think that there's another side to this story. That side of the story could very well be that the girls were struggling to keep up with the boys who then started bullying about them and they stood up to them in protest. It wasn't the girls fault they got stuck with the boys either.

And it could be that the other mum was trying to boost her daughter's confidence by saying just do your best etc.

Sorry to say it but there's something about the tone of your post that does feel a bit nasty.

SocialiteandCoffee · 14/04/2024 00:23

YANBU

INeedToClingToSomething · 14/04/2024 00:59

Cherrysoup · 13/04/2024 22:17

Absolutely taken aback by some pp responses. The girls deliberately sabotaged the team by doing a sit in and refusing to move so close to the finish line. I think they were extremely poorly behaved.

This. Appalling behaviour. They were the "mean girls" OP. Deliberately sabotaging (as you say a power play), threatening to gang up and accuse the boys of something they didn't do, and then throwing food at them. What a bunch of horrible bullies.

AspiringChatBot · 14/04/2024 01:23

Is this event completely voluntary? Are there rewards for participating (not just winning) or negative consequences for not participating that might explain why multiple children signed up but didn't seem to be at all keen? I would talk with the organizers if you can and get to the bottom of what happened. I think that the fact that your son was accused of bullying is a good enough reason to follow up - from the organizers' perspective, a parent would want to know if their son actually HAD bullied someone AND if he'd been unfairly accused of bullying. I'd not frame it as a boys vs girls thing (esp. as it sounds like there were only two boys directly involved); let them tell you if that's a factor.

It's hard to say but I suspect the girl you were focused on might be quite embarrassed by her mother and there may be more going on there - not to the girl's advantage. Next time I'd try to ignore (people like) that mother and just do your bit in generally encouraging the whole team.

YaMuvva · 14/04/2024 01:29

I think you all not to chill the fuck out and stop being weirdly over bearing parents and just focus on your kids having fun.

Another parent took a more casual approach to the game - so what. Unless this was a Hunger Games style fight to the death YABVU and way too involved

Honestly the parents who live vicariously through their child’s hobby are the worst and spoil it for those of us who behave normally. I see it at my son’s football - parents absolutely desperate for their (usually mediocre) kids to be top dog and they get shirty with other parents who just want the team to have fun and enjoy the day. And the worst thing is the over-focus on winning rubs off on the kids who are almost always terribly sore losers and even sometimes have a go at the other kids who just wanted to have fun.

YaMuvva · 14/04/2024 01:31

Also, don’t judge the other mum too harshly - some kids are not like yours, some parents struggle to even get their kids out the house and something like this is a real win even if they don’t get a medal. It SO patronising to tell this woman to walk her kid more.

YaMuvva · 14/04/2024 01:34

lemonmeringueno3 · 13/04/2024 22:29

I think it would be interesting to know why the girls wanted to slow down to the pace of the other team. Was someone in that group struggling or needing support?

Also depends on how ds and the other boy went about encouraging them to leave the other team and keep going. Whatever they said, it prompted a sit-in so is it possible they were unkind or disrespectful?

Also wonder what the ramifications of a later finish time were. If a competitive event that led to county finals or some sort of prize, then I can see why you and ds were upset. If it was something like D of E and your finish time means nothing at all, then I can see why the girls might have rejected pressure to go faster than they wanted to.

Ultimately, to be called a mean girl, I think you probably must have sounded a bit mean. Suggesting that one of the participants should 'get out more' does seem rather mean as they are Year 8.

Agree with first 2 paragraphs. But they’re girls so were probably passed off as being dramatic or sitting down for a gossip 🙄
I could definitely see a situation where boys were being really shitty about them not going quicker and the girls had had enough. Obviously the boys are never gonna present that image to the OP - preteens more often than not put themselves in a better light than what actually happened.

YaMuvva · 14/04/2024 01:38

It does amuse me that some people think a desire to do the best you can is an unseemly trait. I would be embarrassed to know I could do something well but chose not to.

No the unseemly trait is expecting everyone else to match your expectations and unwillingness to understand not everyone is like you or your kids.

DearAnt · 14/04/2024 01:38

Maybe the girls were just throwing food at the boys because they thought they were hungry?

(Sorry, just want to check, we’re just making up any old excuses for the girls, right?)

Garlicked · 14/04/2024 01:51

I've never heard of this before, and am quite impressed by the girls' demonstration of passive resistance and TEAM work (working with the girls on the other team)!

I understand why you and your son are disappointed about not winning. It seems, however, that the girls disliked something about the nature of the competition and opted out of it, in cooperation with the other team.

The kids who care about winning need strategies to motivate their team-mates. In this case, their team-mates switched sides so there must've been alienation instead of motivation.

DearAnt · 14/04/2024 01:58

Garlicked · 14/04/2024 01:51

I've never heard of this before, and am quite impressed by the girls' demonstration of passive resistance and TEAM work (working with the girls on the other team)!

I understand why you and your son are disappointed about not winning. It seems, however, that the girls disliked something about the nature of the competition and opted out of it, in cooperation with the other team.

The kids who care about winning need strategies to motivate their team-mates. In this case, their team-mates switched sides so there must've been alienation instead of motivation.

Throwing things at people isn’t passive resistance, just shit behaviour.

Garlicked · 14/04/2024 02:03

DearAnt · 14/04/2024 01:58

Throwing things at people isn’t passive resistance, just shit behaviour.

Yes, I was talking about the sit-down. Throwing food is childish and we have no idea what prompted it.

Bellsandthistle · 14/04/2024 02:03

There’s definitely another side to this story. And “I replied that perhaps it would do her good to get out and walk a bit more” was unnecessary. Tbh some of your responses are giving off rude, ‘mean girl’ vibes which is why I’d love to hear the other side of this…

YaMuvva · 14/04/2024 02:03

The ‘they threw food at us’ comment is the kind of exaggerated crap pre-teens peddle to bolster their story only to find out that it’s a gross exaggeration and the other people instigated a food fight or something.

YaMuvva · 14/04/2024 02:04

Bellsandthistle · 14/04/2024 02:03

There’s definitely another side to this story. And “I replied that perhaps it would do her good to get out and walk a bit more” was unnecessary. Tbh some of your responses are giving off rude, ‘mean girl’ vibes which is why I’d love to hear the other side of this…

Passive aggressive attitudes ARE very mean girl/boy. I can’t stand it, just say what you fucking mean

AnxiousRabbit · 14/04/2024 05:29

backinthebox · 13/04/2024 23:42

@AnxiousRabbit if you think it is a one off event, how will anyone be encouraged to try harder next time? There won’t be a next time if it’s one off. (It’s not a one off btw, it’s a well known annual event, been going for decades.)

It's an annual event - fine but all participants were 12-13...so basically it's a one off or low frequency event for moat participants.

By next time I meant next time that child is asked to take part in any sort of physical activity?or any competition or try anything new
...jeez I thought that was obvious

TheaBrandt · 14/04/2024 05:35

On the face of it YANBU but it sounds odd and I would also be interested to hear the other side - what actually promoted the weird strike?

lemonmeringueno3 · 14/04/2024 05:45

Can't you just say what the event was?

I really think there will be a bit more to this. They were doing ok until they caught up to the other team, then they slowed down to match the other team.

So they didn't stop, they slowed down. I suspect there will be a reason for this.

And then your ds tried to encourage them to leave the other group and go faster. How did he do this? Because this seems to be where they staged a sit-in and someone threw a sandwich (or whatever) at your ds.

It could be awful, non-competitive girls letting their team down and mistreating ds.

Or it could be ds haranguing them to move faster when someone simply wasn't capable of it, or being very unkind in his tone.

But suggesting to a parent that their child needs to 'get out more' does sound mean, so that makes me think that you and your son have an unpleasant attitude.

What was the event? An endurance test that was optional/voluntary, saw them placed in teams rather than choosing their own, necessitated them carrying food, but not D of E. I think knowing would help us understand better.

TheaBrandt · 14/04/2024 05:56

Your comments were quite aggressive and you have taken your young teens version of events as the absolute truth and berated another adult on the strength of that version which is bullish.

MiddleParking · 14/04/2024 06:25

“OP’s patent competitiveness” 🤣🤣🤣 Ah, if only you knew. That competitive streak has taken me to some truly wonderful places and introduced me to the best of friends. I would not be without it.

Cringe 😬

TheaBrandt · 14/04/2024 06:31

You clearly think you and your son are absolutely marvellous and the other girl and her mum are pathetic unreasonable whiners. Maybe you are right but most of us hide these feelings in polite society!

Guavafish1 · 14/04/2024 06:44

I think your comment was mean and unnecessary. She did not say anything mean about anyone else's child but proud of her own child's achievements.

It's difficult when you're put in a team, you did not choose or have the same enthusiasm levels. But thats life.