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AIBU?

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To feel uncomfortable about her interest in my son

278 replies

Whatafustercluck · 12/04/2024 08:22

Ds is 13. He has this friend, also 13, who is polite enough but is a bit cocky, a bit 'streetwise'. His mum seemed lovely when we met her, and ds speaks highly of her. He's become pretty obsessed with this one friend, to the exclusion of other friends, and has spent a fair bit of time with him over Easter (sleepovers, fishing, cinema etc). He lives about a 30 minute drive away. His mum has said that ds is good for her son, and she's been very encouraging of the friendship. She goes out of her way to collect/ drop off ds at home when we said he couldn't go because it was inconvenient for whatever reason (for example, a mid week one hour round trip just so ds can have dinner there seemed a bit much, but she always comes back with "I'll bring him home" so in ds's eyes there's no reason for us to say no). The father is on the scene, but we don't know much about him, and ds doesn't speak much about him, but says he's 'alright'.

My problem is that it feels like this boy's mother is now massively overstepping the mark, but I can't work out whether I'm being unreasonable and overly jealous/ protective. She messages my son, directly, a lot. She invites him over to theirs, gets him excited by promising to take him fishing or whatever, and then I end up being the one who spoils it all in my son's eyes if I say no. She always asks me/ dh directly in the end, but only after I've spoken to ds about not making arrangements we don't know about and pointed out that things like that should be arranged parent to parent.

I get Mondays and Fridays off work, so had wanted to do something with ds and 7yo dd this Friday as the weather is good. She's been messaging him asking him if he wants to go over, go fishing, stay for dinner. Dh overheard ds in his bedroom discussing it with her. Of course, after that was put in his head, ds had no desire to spend the day with me and his little sister, and who could blame him? I know that friendships are important and I don't want to stand in the way of that. But he's still part of our family, and I want to do things together.

I looked at his phone last night. This isn't an invasion of privacy, ds knows that I spot check and it's a condition of him having a phone. There are no messages or communication between him and his friend. All the banter and arrangements are between him and his friend's mum. She's clearly one of these mums who likes to be seen as a 'friend' (by both her own son and his friends) rather than a mum. A few of the messages contain swearing, in a bantering way. There's a message on there in which ds lies to her about telling me to fuck off (he's never said that to me, so I can only assume he was trying to sound cool).

Everything about these interactions makes me feel increasingly uncomfortable. I remarked to dh yesterday that it almost feels like grooming, with us and our rules being undermined by her (she encourages him to go on his xbox with this friend straight after school, even though ours rules are homework first, then an hour of xbox). That sounds dramatic when I read it back (grooming) but it's how I feel, and dh agreed. I'm starting to think we need to take a firmer line on this.

Aibu to feel this is inappropriate, or am I being over protective and prudish? I'd never make plans with another person's child directly with them, and I said to dh that if this was a man doing this with a 13yo girl, it would be deemed grossly inappropriate.

OP posts:
Hmm1234 · 13/04/2024 18:30

Yes she is being weird sounds like
grooming

ClaredeBear · 13/04/2024 18:34

No way should she have accepted him telling you to F off. That’s not normal, neither is the rest of it.

LalaPaloosa · 13/04/2024 18:36

Maray1967 · 12/04/2024 08:34

Yes, I think I’d probably stop the visits to hers for a while. The very strange thing is what you overheard your son saying. Why would he have said it unless he thought she liked it? I can’t imagine my two claiming they’d sworn at me to any of their friends’ parents - they’d know that the parents would be shocked.

I agree with this. Your son thinks he is impressing her with this comment. It makes me wonder what other conversations have been had. There is nothing appropriate about this woman’s behaviour and I would urge you to put a firm stop to it. It does sound like grooming to me.

Clarabell77 · 13/04/2024 18:44

Very strange behaviour. Even if it’s out of desperation for their child to have a friend, that can be done through you. Him saying he told you to fuck off says a lot as it wouldn’t be something he would use to impress anyone with any decency.

Cherrysoup · 13/04/2024 18:48

Brilliant response from you, OP. It’s beyond inappropriate on the other mum’s behalf. As a pp said, imagine the sexes reversed and how appalled everyone would be (already are appalled). She’s hugely overstepping.

LalaPaloosa · 13/04/2024 18:49

Skyisbluegrassisgreen · 12/04/2024 08:58

Tell her to stop messaging your son, if it continues I’d contact the police.

It may be worth speaking to the police - they will probably be able to provide some guidance on how to manage this, and they will also see the signs of grooming if it’s happening.

Jeannie88 · 13/04/2024 18:59

It should be the friend messaging, sounds like his Mum is very pushy. Yanbu, this isn't normal. Xx

ThePearlSloth · 13/04/2024 19:05

Perfect response from you, and very good advice to let him know that’s how these things can begin. Part of grooming is that you don’t want to say anything to the groomer because they’re so ‘nice’. And yes it does sound like grooming and I’d be concerned about the relationship continuing but obviously it’s very difficult to stop. Keep us posted.

Havinganamechange · 13/04/2024 19:06

I have the severe creeps, it’s bizarre behaviour and totally inappropriate. As I was reading your post, I was thinking is this woman grooming him. She is probably just an over eager mum who is desperate to keep a decent friend for her DS but the way she is going about it is bizarre and I would put a stop to it right now.

Despair1 · 13/04/2024 19:19

You are not being unreasonable. This lady is totally overstepping the mark.
She has absolutely no right to directly message your son and make arrangements. You definitely need to nip this in the bud and speak to her ASAP

MrsDuskTilldawn · 13/04/2024 19:48

All my alarm bells are ringing. I think we often forget how powerful it is, when you have that feeling that something is off. But our bodies are really clever in warning us, so if I was feeling even the slightest ick, I’d trust my gut. Who in their right mind contacts their kids’ friends directly!? It’s wild. Boy or girl it doesn’t matter, this mother is so far off the beaten track no satnav on earth can fix her.

TheGodlyGirl · 13/04/2024 19:49

you must also inform the school. This is absolutely a potential safeguarding issue, and they need to know.
they are unlikely to do anything - that you’re aware of - but they will add to other information and build a picture, which could spark further action.

OldPerson · 13/04/2024 19:51

No responsible parent would ever allow a child to disrespect their parent - unless they thought that child was being abused at home. And then they would refer it to the school and/or social services.

No repsonsible parent would allow an inappropriate relationship to develop. The parent is the grown up. The adult puts things into context. They tell the child they will discuss with the other grown ups.

However. If son wants to keep this friend as a close friend (and you odn't have a clue what's really going on) - you need to start inviting this other boy into your home - and do activities with both boys and talk/listen to the other boy.

I'm struggling a little as to why these other parents are inviting your son to activities - and you have not been reciprocating.

It seems this other parent or parents have made your son part of their family, and you've enjoyed the freedom of them looking after your son, but now your son prefers being around their home.

So are you just jealous - or are you seriously concerned???

DodoTired · 13/04/2024 19:52

Tell her to stop messaging your son and only go through you, and block her on his phone

Cupofteaandbiscuits · 13/04/2024 20:07

Completely inappropriate. I was groomed and this was exactly how it started. Please put a stop to this x

WidmyBreadbin · 13/04/2024 20:13

MabelMaybe · 12/04/2024 08:35

I have a feeling that this mum thinks her DS is going on a wrong path, and she sees your DS as a good influence. She shouldn't be messaging him directly though, as it puts your DS in a him vs. you situation, where this woman, her son and DS all want something before you get to hear about it. Tell your DS to block her number and tell her to go via you exlcusively, if you want the boys to keep their friendship.

I felt this too. This woman is desperate and your DS is a solution. If your DS can occupy her sonz time, he won't be off with people he shouldn't be off with.

It's wrong,bits entitled, it lacks boundaries and it is completely inappropriate and disrespectful to your family life.

Lucy377 · 13/04/2024 20:14

Jesus. She shouldn't be messaging your son directly. Absolutely 100% No. And No.

She's manipulating him.
Whatever her reasons probably to do with her son but whatever.

You need to text her and tell her it all goes through you. End of.

It's so controlling and lacking in boundaries it's scary.

Pookerrod · 13/04/2024 20:22

Well done on getting your son on side before you speak to the other mum. It is important that he understands why this is inappropriate. I’m sure you turning it around and asking what he would think if you were having text banter with one of his friends made him see just how odd this is.

And that’s how I’d probably frame it with her too. Just that you find it odd and unnecessary for her to contact him directly and engage in informal banter.

I have all my young teen’s friends numbers. And most of the mums have my son’s number too. But that’s just because these kids are useless at charging their phones. I’ve only ever messaged or called their numbers in order to get hold of my kid. Never to actually engage with them. I’m a grown woman, why would any of us want to have text banter with a child that’s not ours?!

Crapuscular · 13/04/2024 20:23

Sounds like she knows her son is about to go off the rails and she's trying desperately to cling on to him.

She should not be messaging him. At all.

You need to put a stop to this but it looks like the stable door is now wide open.

Anonymousmummmy · 13/04/2024 20:51

Completely inappropriate of her. YANBU whatsoever. I’m not sure the best way to handle this situation but something definitely needs to be done

MoonWoman69 · 13/04/2024 20:55

This is a very important point in the report that @JFDIYOLO posted -

Grooming by females seems to be used primarily with teens, and because of societal stereotypes of women as caring and nurturing, these offending behaviors are more likely to go undetected.

It is the norm for everyone to assume that only men perpetrate this crime.
I have known of two women in my life who have been like this, one of them, my own maternal grandmother. And even back then, I wouldn't have felt comfortable telling anyone, as I had no idea that women did that.
Thankfully, I was uncomfortable enough after a while, to realise something wasn't right and to make sure I didn't visit again unless I was with my mum. I believe she was grooming me for her own "ends" and a lot of what transpired in the times we spent alone, I have blanked out.
It was only around 4 years ago, I started having fleeting flashbacks out of nowhere. This is what made me actually realise all these years down the line, that she was a predatory female. And I have no idea how to deal with it now. (I'm sorry, I derailed there).

Please trust your gut on this OP. She is being very inappropriate and overly familiar. I'd agree with other posters saying she needs to be told that she messages only you to check any arrangements. I don't think I'd be happy with my son going to her house now either. Her son comes to you or they don't see each other at all. Even if they went somewhere neutral, you can't guarantee that his mother wouldn't be there. And that wouldn't stop her trash talking you. 🌺

Honeybeebuzz · 13/04/2024 21:01

whatsitcalledwhen · 13/04/2024 11:46

You sound like a lovely mum, OP and it sounds like you have a great and open relationship with your son. You've handled the conversation really well.

I would say though that because her behaviour has been such a huge overstep of normal, appropriate healthy boundaries that I would still be ensuring your son takes a real step back from the friendship.

She's not a healthy adult for him to be around even if her motivations aren't nefarious, because her boundaries are so inappropriate.

This

As someone who works with children who have been abused there are so many red flags within your posts from this women's behaviour and also your son defending her so much and worrying about her

Women can also be peadophiles and will often get away with abuse as they are less likely to be suspected. Have you spoken to this woman? Id be clear she needs to communicate with you only about any potential plans and that he communicating with your son should not be happening. If this was me I would be stopping any time spent in this boys home, he can visit your son in your house.

Something is not right based on what you said and I wouldn't be taking any chances.

2mummies1baby · 13/04/2024 21:06

The fact that you have let this go on for so long and are actually asking strangers online if it's okay for an adult to be texting your 13 year old child is deeply troubling. This is SUCH a clear red flag. You and your husband need to be treating this a lot more seriously.

scoobysnaxx · 13/04/2024 21:27

Sounds like you had a really good conversation about this and explaining why it's inappropriate with examples. Sorry if I sound patronising but I think this is really great parenting.

This woman whatever her intention is really really inappropriate. Especially the 'banter'.

MustBeGinOclock · 13/04/2024 22:02

Just seen you lt responses glad you had a chat with your son.

It's definitely time all coms went through you op. I have 2 teenage sons id bever dream of messaging their friends.
You could message the Mum explaining that you are seen as the baddie for wanting your son to spend some time at home with his family and in future everything is to go through you first to avoid getting his hopes up and causing issues.

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