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To feel uncomfortable about her interest in my son

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Whatafustercluck · 12/04/2024 08:22

Ds is 13. He has this friend, also 13, who is polite enough but is a bit cocky, a bit 'streetwise'. His mum seemed lovely when we met her, and ds speaks highly of her. He's become pretty obsessed with this one friend, to the exclusion of other friends, and has spent a fair bit of time with him over Easter (sleepovers, fishing, cinema etc). He lives about a 30 minute drive away. His mum has said that ds is good for her son, and she's been very encouraging of the friendship. She goes out of her way to collect/ drop off ds at home when we said he couldn't go because it was inconvenient for whatever reason (for example, a mid week one hour round trip just so ds can have dinner there seemed a bit much, but she always comes back with "I'll bring him home" so in ds's eyes there's no reason for us to say no). The father is on the scene, but we don't know much about him, and ds doesn't speak much about him, but says he's 'alright'.

My problem is that it feels like this boy's mother is now massively overstepping the mark, but I can't work out whether I'm being unreasonable and overly jealous/ protective. She messages my son, directly, a lot. She invites him over to theirs, gets him excited by promising to take him fishing or whatever, and then I end up being the one who spoils it all in my son's eyes if I say no. She always asks me/ dh directly in the end, but only after I've spoken to ds about not making arrangements we don't know about and pointed out that things like that should be arranged parent to parent.

I get Mondays and Fridays off work, so had wanted to do something with ds and 7yo dd this Friday as the weather is good. She's been messaging him asking him if he wants to go over, go fishing, stay for dinner. Dh overheard ds in his bedroom discussing it with her. Of course, after that was put in his head, ds had no desire to spend the day with me and his little sister, and who could blame him? I know that friendships are important and I don't want to stand in the way of that. But he's still part of our family, and I want to do things together.

I looked at his phone last night. This isn't an invasion of privacy, ds knows that I spot check and it's a condition of him having a phone. There are no messages or communication between him and his friend. All the banter and arrangements are between him and his friend's mum. She's clearly one of these mums who likes to be seen as a 'friend' (by both her own son and his friends) rather than a mum. A few of the messages contain swearing, in a bantering way. There's a message on there in which ds lies to her about telling me to fuck off (he's never said that to me, so I can only assume he was trying to sound cool).

Everything about these interactions makes me feel increasingly uncomfortable. I remarked to dh yesterday that it almost feels like grooming, with us and our rules being undermined by her (she encourages him to go on his xbox with this friend straight after school, even though ours rules are homework first, then an hour of xbox). That sounds dramatic when I read it back (grooming) but it's how I feel, and dh agreed. I'm starting to think we need to take a firmer line on this.

Aibu to feel this is inappropriate, or am I being over protective and prudish? I'd never make plans with another person's child directly with them, and I said to dh that if this was a man doing this with a 13yo girl, it would be deemed grossly inappropriate.

OP posts:
LuckyMum1989 · 13/04/2024 22:49

@Whatafustercluck - Well done OP. I think you have handled that beautifully.

Whatinthedoopla · 13/04/2024 22:55

This lady sounds as though she is grooming your son. Even if she isn't, this sounds like the start of it!

I would suggest do everything you can to get this friend of his away. Eve. Speaking to the teachers to get him to change class or picking him up from school every day to stop him from seeing this friend. If you can't stop the friendship, I would suggest everything goes through you, all meet ups at yours, she doesn't pick him up. Nothing!

It is hard, but this woman sounds weird!!

determinedtomakethiswork · 13/04/2024 22:58

So are you going to contact her and say it's inappropriate contact? I definitely would do that.

Xmasdaft2023 · 13/04/2024 23:02

I’d imagine this is the reason the friend has no other friends. That is just WEIRD! I have a 13yo, all plans are made between him and his mates. If I’ve made plans as a family, I tell him “no” and he accepts that/plans round our already made plans

Not one of his mates mums has ever text him unless he’s allowed a mate to use his phone first and then they’ve replied to my son’s phone (three times that I’m aware of and helped instigate when a mum couldn’t contact her child and I then asked mine to make sure child got in touch with his)

if you’re happy for the friendship to continue I’d text the mum and tell her you’ve removed/blocked her from sons phone and any plans need to go via you or husband going forward…

GoldEagle · 13/04/2024 23:16

Trust your own instincts, you know this is not right. Confront this woman and tell her to stay away from your son. Sit down with your son and tell him her behaviour is not appropriate.

EuropeanMongrel · 13/04/2024 23:20

You are right that it sounds like the mother is trying too hard to keep this friendship going.
I think however that it is best to be subtle about it. No need to approach her and say that she should never contact your son. You could make an enemy very quickly and put your son in an awkward position he will resent you for.
Instead you could just ask her gently if she could contact you before arranging these events as these sometimes conflict with your own family plans. Maybe be up front and honest about why it's a bit of an issue, since you then can't do family stuff.

What this shows though is the extent to which parents will go to make sure their children befriend the right crowd, which is actually a bit pointless.
I spent most of my childhood with the "wrong" crowd, kids from fairly rough estates but that didn't stop me from going to uni and having a good career. You just need to instill the right values in your children and they figure out what is right and wrong by themselves.

Littlejellyuk · 13/04/2024 23:52

Block her number on his phone, or confiscate his phone off him. This needs nipping in the bud. It is giving creepy vibes and oversteps the mark. Nope, this needs to stop, and he needs to see his other pals by the sounds of it.

Mygrandkidsaregreat · 14/04/2024 00:07

It sounds like she is keen for your DS to have a positive impact on hers,and her encouraging him would suggest he is having a positive impact on her DS and his behaviour.
Could you arrange to go to her house for a coffee and a chat to talk about how you feel without coming over too annoyed? You could get a feel for what she’s about more then and see what’s she was like in her home environment, and take things from there.Good luck whatever you decide.

Gillbil · 14/04/2024 01:50

Yes, it's extremely concerning and creepy. Hopefully its not nothing but i say Trust your gut!

QuizzlyBears · 14/04/2024 02:57

Trust your Mama instincts - I am not normally knee jerk dramatic, but I’m close to a situation where fingers have been seriously burned and it started along these lines.

MariaLuna · 14/04/2024 03:16

She messages my son, directly, a lot.

Does that not get your "fingerspritsgefuhl" out immediately?! Also known as intuition.

An adult woman texting a child?!

I would find that totally inappropriate and ask her what she's - supposedly innocently - playing at.

The English like to tiptoe around stuff, other cultures are more direct if they feel something is "off".

Tighten your family's boundaries OP. Your son is too young to see it, it's your job to educate him - age appropriately - in these matters.

MumsGoneToYonderLand · 14/04/2024 03:35

Great discussion with your son, Op, handled masterfully by the sounds of it. you are clearly on top of this!

RecklessGoddess · 14/04/2024 05:29

Wow, I'm absolutely shocked that there's even 1 person voted for you're being unreasonable! That is absolutely NOT normal, and I would have said something to her the moment I found out she was directly contacting my child. I would block her number on his phone, and regularly check to make sure its still blocked, and that there's no contact from her too!

IAmAnIdiot123 · 14/04/2024 05:58

I've only ever texted with one child, my best friends daughter, and the only messages ever exchanged are happy birthday/Christmas and thank yous for gifts. I have know her since the day she was born but I would deem it inappropriate to have anymore of a conversation than that. I wouldn't be happy about this at all, no idea how you handle it though. I would maybe reach out to a charity who help kids who are being groomed for some advice.

Apolloneuro · 14/04/2024 06:00

JulietSierra · 12/04/2024 08:32

It’s totally inappropriate and I actually think you need to contact the mum and make sure she knows that you don’t want her contacting your son directly.
I’d also stop my son from going to their house. Invite the friend to your house but I wouldn’t be allowing my son to be spending time with this mother.

Completely agree. Listen to your gut. If it was a daughter and a friend’s dad you wouldn’t even be questioning yourself. (ETA you’ve already acknowledged that)

This woman’s behaviour is weird. I’m an over 60 year old mum, grandma and teacher and I tell you it’s weird. I’m not meaning sexually predatory necessarily, but it’s weird.

He won’t like you for it, but don’t let your son go over there anymore.

wasdarknowblond · 14/04/2024 07:17

I agree with MabelMaybe. What the friend’s mum is doing is wrong, but she may be desperate to have a friend for her son who is a good influence. I’d ask her to make arrangements through you in future and block her from your son’s phone. The friend’s mum needs a few boundaries!

Direstraightsagain · 14/04/2024 07:26

BLOCK her on his phone.
If the arrangement with your son is you spot check his phone. Block her. Then send a message direct to her saying - they can be more independent - and make arrangements themselves so I’ve blocked you.
Your son can make arrangements with his friend.
She can make arrangements with you about lifts.
She cannot make arrangements directly with your son.
My son is 13. He’s had the same best friend for years. I have his friends number but the extent of the texting is ‘do you know where ds is’ no arrangements or certainly not banter. Block block block.

curiositykilledthiscat · 14/04/2024 07:55

I don’t know what much use blocking the mum’s number is because he could unblock the number anytime he wants.

Familyvalues80 · 14/04/2024 08:15

Oh, wow, no, this is massively inappropriate, I have a 13 yo DD and I would never contact her friends directly! I would message the mother and say all communication needs to come via you from now onwards and take a very firm line on that. I make arrangements with my daughters friends parents (mum/ dad) directly after the children have made a loose plan themselves. She may be trying to be cool, but she is overstepping the mark!

Mermaidsarereal · 14/04/2024 08:17

You're so right I have a DD12 and if her friends dad was messaging in her this way, I'd be furious so it shouldn't be any different with a woman texting a young boy! My DD is that friend who parents want their children to stay close to because she's polite, well behaved etc. but it always ends up with her having a really close friendship for a while and then the friend inevitably cutting her off when another new friend comes along but because she's the 'safe' friend they think they can pick her up and drop her whenever they like, so I'd be wary of the fact this boys mum is pushing her DS to be so friendly with yours. I would send her a message to say you think she's overstepped the mark by messaging your son and from now on she'll have to go through yourself to arrange things with him.

Lollipop81 · 14/04/2024 08:24

I’ve read your update and I don’t think speaking to your son is enough. The mother needs to be spoken to and told not to contact your son. Let her know you read his phone. Really annoys me that if this was a man doing this he would most likely be in the police station now but because it’s a woman it’s taken so lightly.
Doesn’t need to be confrontational, just explain you don’t appreciate it and you want it to stop.

Longsight2019 · 14/04/2024 08:39

I’d call her directly and be friendly, but then say that you need to discuss something important.

My stance would be that you’re really surprised at the direct comms, and that it’s caused all sorts of problems and disappointment back home, and so you will need to insist that she texts you instead of DS from now on.

Again, her reaction should tell you all you need to know.

You need to handle this as it has the potential to get out of hand.

Your son is being used by his friend’s parents.

LAMPS1 · 14/04/2024 09:20

That was a good conversation to have with your son but actually what has changed and how do you plan to go forward ?

Are you leaving it down to him to stop her interactions with him, because he appears not see it as a problem and doesn’t want to be rude to her or upset her because she is kind. So then nothing will change. She carries on having inappropriate banter with him.

Seems to me that she already has a bit of a grip on him. She is using him and manipulating and whatever the reason, that still can’t be right.

I would make a strong intervention with her immediately, while your boy is still young enough.

helpplease01 · 14/04/2024 09:39

This is highly inappropriate!!! Sorry but you need to take co triple of this situation fast. WTF!! What mother messages another 13 year old child like a ‘mate’ ?? And encourages them to go against what their parents rules are?
the relationship should be with the boys. You might find his friends finds his mums obsession with your son uncomfortable.
your going to have to be blunt. Explain your discomfort and concern re in appropriate behaviour. If you’re not careful, you will alienate your son even more!

ThePearlSloth · 14/04/2024 10:18

Just to add, someone here already asked whether your son is in the car alone with the mum when she picks him up and drops him off. I’d be even more worried about her being in the car with him as in the house. I think the boy/girl debates are irrelevant here - any adult having direct text conversations and privately arranging trips with any child away from the parent are extremely dangerous and honestly frightening. Any time your son goes to her house or anywhere with the friend risks the mum having the opportunity to pick him up and be alone with him in the car. I’m sorry to scaremonger but I am really disturbed by this whole scenario.

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