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To feel uncomfortable about her interest in my son

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Whatafustercluck · 12/04/2024 08:22

Ds is 13. He has this friend, also 13, who is polite enough but is a bit cocky, a bit 'streetwise'. His mum seemed lovely when we met her, and ds speaks highly of her. He's become pretty obsessed with this one friend, to the exclusion of other friends, and has spent a fair bit of time with him over Easter (sleepovers, fishing, cinema etc). He lives about a 30 minute drive away. His mum has said that ds is good for her son, and she's been very encouraging of the friendship. She goes out of her way to collect/ drop off ds at home when we said he couldn't go because it was inconvenient for whatever reason (for example, a mid week one hour round trip just so ds can have dinner there seemed a bit much, but she always comes back with "I'll bring him home" so in ds's eyes there's no reason for us to say no). The father is on the scene, but we don't know much about him, and ds doesn't speak much about him, but says he's 'alright'.

My problem is that it feels like this boy's mother is now massively overstepping the mark, but I can't work out whether I'm being unreasonable and overly jealous/ protective. She messages my son, directly, a lot. She invites him over to theirs, gets him excited by promising to take him fishing or whatever, and then I end up being the one who spoils it all in my son's eyes if I say no. She always asks me/ dh directly in the end, but only after I've spoken to ds about not making arrangements we don't know about and pointed out that things like that should be arranged parent to parent.

I get Mondays and Fridays off work, so had wanted to do something with ds and 7yo dd this Friday as the weather is good. She's been messaging him asking him if he wants to go over, go fishing, stay for dinner. Dh overheard ds in his bedroom discussing it with her. Of course, after that was put in his head, ds had no desire to spend the day with me and his little sister, and who could blame him? I know that friendships are important and I don't want to stand in the way of that. But he's still part of our family, and I want to do things together.

I looked at his phone last night. This isn't an invasion of privacy, ds knows that I spot check and it's a condition of him having a phone. There are no messages or communication between him and his friend. All the banter and arrangements are between him and his friend's mum. She's clearly one of these mums who likes to be seen as a 'friend' (by both her own son and his friends) rather than a mum. A few of the messages contain swearing, in a bantering way. There's a message on there in which ds lies to her about telling me to fuck off (he's never said that to me, so I can only assume he was trying to sound cool).

Everything about these interactions makes me feel increasingly uncomfortable. I remarked to dh yesterday that it almost feels like grooming, with us and our rules being undermined by her (she encourages him to go on his xbox with this friend straight after school, even though ours rules are homework first, then an hour of xbox). That sounds dramatic when I read it back (grooming) but it's how I feel, and dh agreed. I'm starting to think we need to take a firmer line on this.

Aibu to feel this is inappropriate, or am I being over protective and prudish? I'd never make plans with another person's child directly with them, and I said to dh that if this was a man doing this with a 13yo girl, it would be deemed grossly inappropriate.

OP posts:
muggart · 12/04/2024 18:24

I know a woman like this, she used to be my boss. She collects "children" everywhere she goes who are basically just younger people she forms a bond with and then builds the relationship into something it shouldn't be. I'm one of her fake "daughters" simply because she was my boss and we had a good relationship. She'd buy me presents and visit me at home and post all over FB how much she loved seeing her DD (awkward!). Other examples include the boyfriend her (real) DD had when she was a teenager who she refused to stop messaging after they split (her DD was not impressed) and her own ex's children who she didn't really know that well but just wouldn't let go of.

Anyway my point is she does it because she's needy and has severe abandonment issues, not because she's a paedophile. Hopefully your woman is just a run of the mill odd ball too and it's not more sinister than that.

Todaywasbetter · 12/04/2024 18:35

Just message her and tell her that your son won’t be going on any more visits unless she contact you with the information before speaking to him.

Chubrubdubdub · 12/04/2024 18:35

I would be blunt. If she's a paedo, scare her off.

Whilst this could be "innocent" - what she's doing is indistinguishable from what she would be doing if indeed she were grooming your son for sexual abuse. It can't be "proved" until the damage is done. That's a risk you can't take. Throw manners out of the window!

"I have seen the messages you've exchanged with my son. They are inappropriate and make me feel uncomfortable. From now on I don't want you to spend time with my son alone nor for you to message him directly. If you want our sons to meet this needs to be arranged through me".

If she breaks these rules I would speak to the relevant authorities (school / child safeguarding services / police) about your concerns and let her know you are doing so.

PassingStranger · 12/04/2024 18:41

Is the op going to come back?
I think she's got the message now.

whiteboardking · 12/04/2024 18:59

She should arrange via you or the boys their lives arrange themselves (more normal).
Creepy and Wierd otherwise

Nanny0gg · 12/04/2024 19:01

I'm sure there's been a thread like this before. I wish I could remember how it was resolved.

StaunchMomma · 12/04/2024 19:17

Agree that you need to speak to the Mum and lay down some ground rules, t include no messaging him direct (her) and no suggesting doing things with him before speaking to you first.

She's taking the piss and actively encouraging your DS to rebel against you.

He's going to react to that like a child because he is one, but his safety is more important.

She's a fucking weirdo, OP.

itsgettingweird · 12/04/2024 19:23

Reading the first bit of your OP I was thinking it's normal for children to arrange things between themselves.

But then you got to the texting.

Just no. Block her now. It's extremely odd. Usually ds having numbers for his friends parents wouldn't bother me because if they are out they can contact parents in an emergency,

But this is odd. I'd also speak to the school to give them a heads up.

theonlygirl · 12/04/2024 19:40

My DS is same age. The thought of me entering into lengthy bantering, messaging with a 13 year old boy, organising his social life with my own DS is....just so inappropriate and weird and just wrong. Yeah, you've got to put a stop to it, but christ, what a conversation to have with your DS. If you want to maintain the boys' friendship it would have to be him coming to yours and no more messages with the mum or contact. Be interesting to see if on those terms, the friendship runs it's course.

Thriving30 · 12/04/2024 19:46

Definite alarm bells especially when reading that there are zero messages between him and his actual friend. How bizarre.
100% put a stop to this.

GreekGod · 12/04/2024 19:47

Speak to your son about what grooming is and then put a stop to it. Explain to him that it is inappropriate for a friends mother to send text messages to him. I would stop him going to the house. Put an end to this. It's not right.

CanaryMary · 12/04/2024 19:55

I would be very uncomfortable with this too and my son isn’t far off the same age as yours! It’s definitely overstepping boundaries and is not normal imo
I think you are right to be worried

LuckyMum1989 · 12/04/2024 20:17

@Whatafustercluck - how are you feeling now? Are these responses ringing true with your instincts?

ViciousCurrentBun · 12/04/2024 20:31

My house was very much the hang out zone for DS and his friends, we lived closest to the school for starters and I would if about make them food. I never even had any of his friends numbers, I did have their Mums numbers. There is no way this is remotely ok.

Whatafustercluck · 13/04/2024 08:25

PassingStranger · 12/04/2024 18:41

Is the op going to come back?
I think she's got the message now.

I will post an update later. I was out all day yesterday and I'm taking my son to football shortly. Thanks for all the replies, I had a talk with him last night. Update later and I'll answer a few of the questions that have been asked.

OP posts:
Fulshaw · 13/04/2024 08:29

My kids are that age and I never message their friends directly unless it’s an emergency. You just don’t, everyone knows that!

Axx · 13/04/2024 09:41

I'd call her and tell her to stop texting him as it's totally inappropriate.

Whatafustercluck · 13/04/2024 10:37

OK, so to answer a few questions.

Ds is definitely friends with the boy. He speaks about him a lot, genuinely likes him and wants to spend time with him.

I get the impression that while this boy is more streetwise, he's not a tearaway. When we spoke to his mum previously, she indicated that there is likely some neurodovergence there (I would say adhd most likely). I had sympathy with this as we are currently seeking assessment for our daughter. Otherwise, the boy interacts pretty well/ normally, but his mum does worry about his friendship groups.

Ds telling her he told me to fuck off, for full context, was that I'd applied a temporary ban on his xbox for something or other (it was a few months ago so I can't remember). She asked him if he was going to play with her son on the xbox after school, ds replied that he was banned. She asked him why, he was embarrassed to admit the real reason and so lied to make himself seem cooler. This boy's mum apparently doesn't take a hard line on swearing and allows her son and daughter to swear, and most likely swears in front of them too. So, very different standards between us on thar front.

Ds is well liked and has numerous friends, but none as close as this boy - and he's had quite a few instances of friendship problems this year so far. So he's fallen in and out of friendships fairly regularly and been particularly hurt by one friend who he has known since early childhood effectively 'ditching' him (his words). So he's having a bit of normal teenage friendship angst which I think heightens his interest in friendship with this boy.

I spoke to ds last night (his instigation because dh had spoken to him in the morning about it, but only briefly).

He couldn't see the problem and got quite upset and defensive initially. He said she's just a kind woman who is nice, and I agreed that she had done some very kind things to encourage the friendship but that she was overstepping the mark. I explained why, and there was a bit of debate. I said that whatever her intentions, communicating directly with another parent's child is inappropriate and gave him some examples about why. The conversation also broadened out into keeping himself safe, with mine and dh's help, and how (for example) the vast majority of abuse happens not stranger-on-stranger but by someone known to the victim. We've spoken to him previously about all this, and he completely took it on board. I repeated that I didn't believe this is the woman's intention, but gave it as an example of how these things can begin.

He said that as he uses Snapchat, his friend's settings auto delete after receipt, so he and his friend do communicate about plans, but it's usually on Snapchat or when playing xbox. His friend's mum tends to be in the background to keep an eye on her son, so chat sometimes involves her when conversation turns to the boys making plans, in a supportive way according to ds.

i said I'd felt undermined by her contact with him because she has no idea what our family rules and family life/ plans look like on a day to day basis. And I repeated that it isn't his fault, she is the adult and should know how these things work. I asked him how he'd feel if I regularly contacted and had banter with one of his other friends - would that be appropriate or inappropriate. I also used the example of a grown man developing a 'friendship' with his little sister - what would he think of that?

I said I wanted to contact her to reinforce that arrangements should be between the two boys only, with us agreeing it between us for drop offs/ pick ups. He reinforced that he didn't want me to he horrible about it because she was kind and I said of course, but I wanted to be clear too and if she contacts him directly I want to know about it.

OP posts:
3luckystars · 13/04/2024 11:19

Yeah that’s great, but she is still weird, and I wouldn’t be letting my son near her again and would be clear telling her to never text him ever again, no matter how nice she is.

whatsitcalledwhen · 13/04/2024 11:46

You sound like a lovely mum, OP and it sounds like you have a great and open relationship with your son. You've handled the conversation really well.

I would say though that because her behaviour has been such a huge overstep of normal, appropriate healthy boundaries that I would still be ensuring your son takes a real step back from the friendship.

She's not a healthy adult for him to be around even if her motivations aren't nefarious, because her boundaries are so inappropriate.

Riverlee · 13/04/2024 12:48

You’ve sound like you’ve handled it really well. Explained everything well, and laid out how it’s going to be going forward, without blaming anyone thus far.

Pherian · 13/04/2024 17:44

I am a step parent to teenage boys. I don’t speak to their friends directly unless they are in my home or out at an event in my care. I don’t have their phone numbers.

my communication is with their parents.

so all of this feels very odd.

I would speak with her directly and tell her that any future invitations or plans should be directed to you in the first instance because it’s becoming difficult to schedule things for the family that your son needs to be a part of.

Then, if she continues to message your son directly I’d probably have a gentle but probing conversation around what things happen when he’s in her company. Is she touchy feely, what kind of conversations are taking place. Who is on these fishing trips.

I was a victim of childhood molestation and it’s rarely a stranger in the park, it’s someone you know and trust around your kids. Don’t ignore your intuition, she may not be a predator, but she certainly lacks boundaries.

Berkshire22 · 13/04/2024 18:01

You are NOT being unreasonable. As others have said imagine if it was a friend’s father messaging a 13yr old girl, we think about boys differently but it really isn’t ok. She shouldn’t need telling that this is inappropriate but you have to - I’m inclined to think she won’t stop as she clearly doesn’t understand boundaries but the first step would be to ask her. Then perhaps reign in the amount of time he spends with this child, have ‘playdates’ on your turf for a while even if it’s a hassle re the driving? Hope it goes well!!

Laur81 · 13/04/2024 18:12

That’s very odd , even if it is innocent, she should absolutely be asking you before it’s mentioned to your son, I would be very uneasy with this. As another poster said you don’t have to go in all guns blazing but I would be telling her that any arrangements should go through you, Boundaries!!

Obviouslymercy · 13/04/2024 18:13

If they've met through school I would personally go and talk to someone there - assuming it's secondary judging by their age, there must be a student services or a parent liaison officer/safeguarding lead. They should be able to help you in what to do and see if it's screaming any alarm bells to their trained minds xo