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Why are some MIL so bad?

165 replies

Cupofteaandbiscuits · 05/04/2024 18:41

Genuine question. What happens to some seemingly lovely women when they become MILs? Why do they go from nice to nasty?

mine was lovely until we had DC then nothing I did was right. Constant criticism of our parenting my favourite being that I should be feeding DD her allergen as it will toughen her up!

I do think about this and hope that I don’t become a MIL that future daughter / son in laws don’t hate me.

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Thisbastardcomputer · 05/04/2024 23:02

I loved my mother in law, my daughter in law hated me.

QueenOfHiraeth · 05/04/2024 23:08

GoodnightAdeline · 05/04/2024 18:54

I’ve had 2 wonderful ‘MILs’ (LTR mums) and 1 bad one (sadly DP’s mum).

May be a coincidence but the wonderful ones had daughters as well as sons. DP’s mum has 2 sons and she was used to being the only female surrounded by yes men while they were growing up. I think she felt quite threatened by another female being on the scene and not being their ‘most important woman’ any more.

I've never thought of this before but you may have a point that mothers of daughters may make easier MILs than those of just sons.
DP is one of 2 boys and MIL can be very tricky and manipulative. Luckily SIL and I are a united front and I have resolved never to be that kind of MIL.

Purpletractor · 05/04/2024 23:13

My MIL is a nightmare. My DH was her only child and she openly told everyone that she wanted a girl so he was a disappointment. When I came along she took it upon herself to treat me as the daughter that she never had….except that I had an amazing relationship with my own DM and really didn’t want or need a second mum. When DC came along MIL refused point blank to follow rules or requests and on occasions put DC in danger. She also only likes the idea of being a granny, so doesn’t actually want to build a relationship with her DGC and as they’ve grown older they’ve realised this and really only want to she her if she’s going to take them shopping! On the flip side I also think my own DM has been a pretty hideous MIL to my DH….and that has driven a huge wedge between DM and me. Shes never liked him, doesn’t approve of his (entirely respectable and very well paid)job, criticises him constantly to me and picks fights with him over his parenting and various other things. He never bites back and is extremely gracious towards her.

Purpletractor · 05/04/2024 23:14

@StarvingMarvin222 i think you’ve nailed it.

hornsofahugedilemma · 05/04/2024 23:17

My MIL was ok, if rather old fashioned 50s housewife, never worked after marriage. Very different from my mum, who despite being a little older had a career and never seemed stuck in the past.
I have however been shocked by an aunt of mine and a friend/former colleague who both morphed into MILs from hell. My aunt apparently became overbearingly obsessive and possessive with the grandchildren, and would turn up uninvited to where they were on holiday. At first this would be cottages in the UK but my cousin cut contact for a while when my aunt and uncle turned up to "surprise " them when it was a special holiday in the south of France for their wedding anniversary, and it caused a huge row. She seems to have calmed down now they are older, but she sounded a nightmare.

My ex colleague was again wanting the exclusively bf baby overnight immediately. She also hated the name they'd chosen and refused to use it, instead calling her her choice of name. I warned her not to be too interfering and she went off on one. I rarely see her now, but she complains constantly that she hardly ever sees her grandchildren, and I can see why! Incidentally both my aunt and ex friend are mothers of men.

MammaPee · 05/04/2024 23:19

I think the MIL thing is a bit of a stereotype. My MIL was a really lovely lady it was my own DM who was a narcissistic nightmare - though obviously she was my DH's MIL so the stereotype applied in that case. At the end of the day all sorts of relatives can be nice or nasty.

saraclara · 05/04/2024 23:26

Cupofteaandbiscuits · 05/04/2024 18:45

Wow. Bad experience @TwigletsAndRadishes ?!
I read far more horrible MIL stories on here than I do DIL stories

That's because if anyone dared criticise a DIL on here, they'd be very unlikely to get an objective hearing. So they don't.

NewName24 · 05/04/2024 23:28

TwigletsAndRadishes · 05/04/2024 18:44

The same reasons that some DILs are so bad. Some people are just selfish, self absorbed, spoilt, defensive, insecure, difficult, demanding and far too touchy.

Can't say it better than this first response.
We are all individuals and there are no more MiLs that are "bad" than there are DiLs that behave badly.

Wow. Bad experience @TwigletsAndRadishes ?!
I read far more horrible MIL stories on here than I do DIL stories

What an odd response.
You asked a question, got a very sensible answer in the very first post, then start criticising. Hmm

LivingColour · 05/04/2024 23:29

I had a great relationship with my in-laws.

Then I had their first grandchild….

saraclara · 05/04/2024 23:35

I always tell my DS that when he has a serious partner, remember what I am telling him now - put her first and side with her over me, always, not matter what I might say when the time comes.

So he should always agree with her, and always let her have her own way? Even if she's foul or treats you badly?
No. That's a stupid thing to say to anyone, of either sex or in any kind of relationship.

SabreIsMyFave · 05/04/2024 23:36

Some are nice, some are average, some are awful, but if there are awful MILs, it's almost always mums of sons. I only know women who have issues with their MIL. I don't know a single man who does. Anecdata of course, but I am saying what I see.

It used to be a running joke some 40+ years ago that men didn't like their mother-in-law, and mother-in-law jokes were rife. I think they must have been banter/tongue-in-cheek, because every man I have ever known gets on well with their mother-in-law.

Conversely, I know loads of women who do NOT get on with them. They find them to be harsh and critical, and act like the daughter-in-law can't do a thing right. And no woman is good enough for their little Prince! I know half a dozen women whose MILs were awful to them, and they tolerated it for a few years, and then snapped. 4 have gone NC with them. So has the husband/MIL's son.

I think these MILS do (deep down) fear losing their son, as the old adage 'a daughter is a daughter for the whole of your life, a son is a son til he gets a wife' is quite prevalent with some people. A couple's life often leans towards the woman's family and parents, moreso than the man's.

JMO. But I think some mothers of sons fear losing their son, and act all weird and possessive, and hyper critical of their son's wife, (as no woman is ever good enough for her son!) and it ends up alienating the son and his wife. I have NEVER seen this happen with mums of daughters. They always get on with the son-in-law. No mother I know has ever feared losing her daughter to her daughter's husband's family and parents. And I have never known one act all possessive over her daughter(s.) I am sure it happens. I have just personally never known it to.

JMO based on the experience of many people I know. And I know not ALL mothers of sons are like this, but they are more likely to be than mothers of daughters. My mother-in-law was OK; a bit outspoken and bossy, but OK, and she seemed to be OK with her son being with me! But she died 2 years after me and DH got married. (And before we had our kids.) I don't know how she would have been as the years rolled on/after we had kids. (2 daughters!)

Tourmalines · 05/04/2024 23:37

Cupofteaandbiscuits · 05/04/2024 20:21

I’m not just basing this on mumsnet

So are you intentionally looking up anything you can find on bad MILs on any platform.? How about googling nice MILs. You will find plenty there too.

LivingColour · 05/04/2024 23:45

hornsofahugedilemma · 05/04/2024 23:17

My MIL was ok, if rather old fashioned 50s housewife, never worked after marriage. Very different from my mum, who despite being a little older had a career and never seemed stuck in the past.
I have however been shocked by an aunt of mine and a friend/former colleague who both morphed into MILs from hell. My aunt apparently became overbearingly obsessive and possessive with the grandchildren, and would turn up uninvited to where they were on holiday. At first this would be cottages in the UK but my cousin cut contact for a while when my aunt and uncle turned up to "surprise " them when it was a special holiday in the south of France for their wedding anniversary, and it caused a huge row. She seems to have calmed down now they are older, but she sounded a nightmare.

My ex colleague was again wanting the exclusively bf baby overnight immediately. She also hated the name they'd chosen and refused to use it, instead calling her her choice of name. I warned her not to be too interfering and she went off on one. I rarely see her now, but she complains constantly that she hardly ever sees her grandchildren, and I can see why! Incidentally both my aunt and ex friend are mothers of men.

A friend of mine has a beautiful DS, which has a fairly uncommon name (a quick google suggests it’s not in the top 500 in 2023) - but not ‘unique’ if that makes sense… sort of name an author would name a character if trying to be quirky…. her MIL has gone MC with them due to the name…

grinandslothit · 05/04/2024 23:46

I've had two mother-in-law's and one was just fine, just a normal person.

The second one was absolutely wonderful she was so kind and gracious and I think she was just happy to have her son married off before she passed away from cancer.

It was other in-laws who turned out to be vile racist a holes.

Nanny0gg · 05/04/2024 23:47

Cupofteaandbiscuits · 05/04/2024 18:45

Wow. Bad experience @TwigletsAndRadishes ?!
I read far more horrible MIL stories on here than I do DIL stories

Go on Gransnet...

You will hear more MiL stories because of the demographics on here.

Runnerinthenight · 05/04/2024 23:49

My mum was a brilliant MIL to my husband. Bought him lovely presents, gave him money, gave him the best dinners! She and my dad adored our kids and were never done thinking of treats for them.

FIL couldn't have cared less, never even met our youngest, only saw the elder two at their baptism. Died shortly after youngest was born. MIL didn't have a clue about our kids, bought them totally inappropriate shit. Phoned early every Christmas Day when our kids never did get up early!

Openly favoured SIL's son who was born a few months after our youngest.

saraclara · 05/04/2024 23:50

@SabreIsMyFave I think it happens because it's more often the DIL that manages and controls what happens when babies arrive. As the mum of a daughter, I've never needed to really negotiate seeing the grandchildren. It all happens quite naturally and she naturally turns to me.

My friends who are mums to men almost all feel like they're at the back of the queue. From the moment the baby arrives, the maternal grandma is prioritised. And you see it on so many threads on Mumsnet. It's a real tightrope for the MIL to walk. She can't pester to see the new family, but nor can she afford to look as though she's not interested. And if she doesn't manage those first few months perfectly (or her son doesn't advocate for her) it's hard to build up any kind of relationship momentum.

I once posted about my friend who is only allowed to see her grandchildren for childcare. While the DIL's mum virtually lives at her daughter's house. But virtually everyone who responded assumed that my friend must be awful and her DIL perfectly reasonable to keep her out. I gave up. My friend of 40 years is the most accepting, tolerant and gentle of people, but apparently I couldn't possibly know that, and she MUST have been at fault.

That's why there are few complaints about DILs on this forum.

wanttokickoffbutcant · 06/04/2024 01:17

I think I am very lucky to have a lovely MIL and I had a lovely mum who had a wonderful relationship with my husband.

I lost my mum 15 years ago and my MIL is now 90 and not very well and I will miss her as much as I miss my mum.

MIL has been a wonderful grandma to my 14 year old.

wanttokickoffbutcant · 06/04/2024 01:21

Having said about my lovely MIL, my brothers wife has basically cut our side of the family out so maybe my dad has a toxic DIL and I have a SIL?

Astariel · 06/04/2024 07:56

@Tourmalines I don’t think it is always mothers of sons or only mothers of sons that make poor MILs.

My mum is a hard work MIL. She only has daughters. She’s very overbearing and can’t seem to see that the way she does things is not the way that her daughters (and especially her SILs) might do things. There’s a lot of ‘we do…’ from her that leaves me thinking ‘but that’s not how I do it’.

My lovely ex (not)MIL is a mother of only sons and she’s great. Just a very different personality to my mum and easier to get along with.

I think that in many cases, men do find their wife’s mother annoying and overbearing and interfering - especially in those cases where the mother and daughter are very, very close and their MIL always seems to be around. But some of these men can avoid the issue somewhat by buggering off to the gym/golf/cycling/work.

Mostly I think it really does depend on the different personalities involved. I hear as many people joking about their own parents visiting as they do the ILs. I met one of my neighbours in the local park recently, after bumping into his kids with their grandma. He was having a moan and then said ‘well she’s my mum so I have to deal with it’. I think his wife was doing something that was largely avoiding the ILs too. But he absolutely understood why. And laughed about it.

It’s probably just easier if your spouse is able to understand the challenges that come with their family. And also where the personalities fall within the standard range or foibles.

All bets are off when you get a PIL who is just an awful person - even more so if their child is still enmeshed in whatever unhealthy dynamic they grew up in and can’t admit the problem.

If I’m ever a MIL (and I’m a mother of sons), I will endeavour to recognise that any DILs or SILs didn’t choose me or grow up with me, and that my role is to support and celebrate my sons’ choices. I’m not the main character in that, nor the script writer!

Tourmalines · 06/04/2024 08:39

Astariel · 06/04/2024 07:56

@Tourmalines I don’t think it is always mothers of sons or only mothers of sons that make poor MILs.

My mum is a hard work MIL. She only has daughters. She’s very overbearing and can’t seem to see that the way she does things is not the way that her daughters (and especially her SILs) might do things. There’s a lot of ‘we do…’ from her that leaves me thinking ‘but that’s not how I do it’.

My lovely ex (not)MIL is a mother of only sons and she’s great. Just a very different personality to my mum and easier to get along with.

I think that in many cases, men do find their wife’s mother annoying and overbearing and interfering - especially in those cases where the mother and daughter are very, very close and their MIL always seems to be around. But some of these men can avoid the issue somewhat by buggering off to the gym/golf/cycling/work.

Mostly I think it really does depend on the different personalities involved. I hear as many people joking about their own parents visiting as they do the ILs. I met one of my neighbours in the local park recently, after bumping into his kids with their grandma. He was having a moan and then said ‘well she’s my mum so I have to deal with it’. I think his wife was doing something that was largely avoiding the ILs too. But he absolutely understood why. And laughed about it.

It’s probably just easier if your spouse is able to understand the challenges that come with their family. And also where the personalities fall within the standard range or foibles.

All bets are off when you get a PIL who is just an awful person - even more so if their child is still enmeshed in whatever unhealthy dynamic they grew up in and can’t admit the problem.

If I’m ever a MIL (and I’m a mother of sons), I will endeavour to recognise that any DILs or SILs didn’t choose me or grow up with me, and that my role is to support and celebrate my sons’ choices. I’m not the main character in that, nor the script writer!

Think you meant this to go to @SabreIsMyFave . But I do agree with you .

Purpletractor · 06/04/2024 09:12

I can think of 2 very good friends who are mothers of boys. Both are pretty overbearing and will be absolute nightmare MILs.
I also have a really good friend whose own mother is pretty overbearing- but she only had daughters and when my friend has had enough of her DM she tells her where to go. A daughter with a difficult mother will have had years of practice of managing her mother, and as they say ‘blood is thicker than water’. A DIL rarely has a relationship with her MIL to say ‘my child my rules’ or ‘I’m absolutely exhausted, can you please look after child 1&2 and make dinner while I catch up on sleep’……it just doesn’t happen.

ChubbyMorticia · 06/04/2024 10:32

Both my husband and I had terrible MILs. I often joked that’s why we work so well together- nobody else could understand the crazy we came from.

I think part of the problem for some MIL is a societal/generational thing.

A generation or two ago, the mindset that elders are to be respected no matter what, put family first at all costs, was very prevalent. Must play Happy Families no matter what. And, there was the refrain, “When you’re the elder, it’ll be your turn.” and, “How do you want your kids to treat you when you’re older? Set the example.”

It resulted in generations of women who had little power over their own lives, dedicating themselves to their children, their husbands, and following the lead of their mothers, MILs, grandparents, etc.

Then they became the MIL/grandmother. It was finally their turn!

… except it wasn’t. Because thinking has changed. Nobody wants to do as they’re told with their marriage and children. They want to make their own choices, toss out traditions they don’t like, and have boundaries.

So there are some older women who are angry, confused and grieving. They did what they were told, and were promised their turn would come. But it hasn’t. Kinda like working for decades toward a promotion, only to have the position eliminated at the last second.

Unfortunately, rather than getting therapy to help process their feelings, some of the women who experienced this try to force compliance, blame their CIL when they don’t get what they want, and take their anger and resentment out on those around them.

WaitingforCheese · 06/04/2024 11:41

@ChubbyMorticia mine was a bit like that. Always trying to tell me where to go on holiday. What to eat for dinner, what job I should do, what tv I should watch etc. complained I ‘wouldn’t do as I was told’. She’s not in charge of me though.
She was upset DH didn’t marry someone she could manipulate (she basically said this).
It got worse when I had DC as I wouldn’t follow her outdated and often dangerous advice.

DH on the other side tried to force this close mother/daughter relationship on us even though we had zero in common. He even wanted me to call her ‘mum’ at one point.

Houseplanter · 06/04/2024 11:42

Why are some DILs so nasty?

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