To think we should all stop tipping now?

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Tomorrow the minimum wage increases to £11.44 per hour. That’s an increase of 9.8%. It also increased by 9.7% last year. Inflation is currently 4.5%.

This is obviously a very good thing for millions of workers in low paid employment across the country and, whatever else the government has got wrong, it deserves credit for pushing through such large increases.

The minimum wage is now set at a level at which it provides fair & reasonable pay for unskilled service industry work. Therefore tipping such workers is no longer necessary or appropriate, so I won’t be tipping anyone anywhere from now on. AIBU?

You are obviously eating in the wrong restaurants!

Do other wages increase as a result of minimum wage increasing?

Yes you have explained it correct but it’s still the same as taking money from your hourly rate to pay the holidays

If remember you now, from another thread. You’re just a miserable goady twat.

I always tip my hairdresser and usually tip in cafes and restaurants if the staff have been pleasant.

Except I have longer holidays think we work 36it’s private

i didn’t mean literally take the money if you have extensive experience you would have known what I was talking about instead of trying to belittle me

You can ban them. There are restaurants which clearly say on the menu, table cards and bill that they are no tipping restaurants because they pay their staff at minimum living wage. Eg restaurant on the top of Tate Modern in London

The whole US thing is laughable. I'd wager 50% of people who visit the US go to New York. I read an article where it said that lots of students travel to New York to work over the summer as they can make an average of $5000 a week!!! Specifically due to the tipping culture. So I'd be surprised that anyone in New York at least relies on those tips to live on.

If you visit smaller towns that absolutely yes they will probably rely on it.

To a degree, the same is also probably true of the UK in that, in smaller places people will make less from tips as opposed to tourist areas or big cities where the tips will be more plentiful.

If you stop tipping they'll be worse off or no change with the pay increase. That sucks.

I hate tipping. Not sure why we single out one industry when other minimum wage industries and roles provide just as much personal service but have no tipping culture at all. I definitely tip less these days as eating out is not really affordable as it is. 10%-12.5% is often not reasonably for the service received with todays prices.

@DodoTired that is true. But you can't actually stop people tipping. Especially if we aren't on site. The staff aren't going to reject the tips! I had one member of staff message hourly for his tip money at the end of the week when he would get it at the end of the month like everyone else. I just can't understand why you would message you boss to the point of harassment when it's not even due!

You can’t stop them accepting cash tips, fine. Although maybe you can train them not to. You can be clear to patrons that tips are not needed.
However most people now tip with the card, you can stop this (not to add service charge to the bill) and refuse all tipping participation schemes etc.
Whether your staff will love it another matter

That's true @DodoTired we don't usually have a service charge. Only on tables of 8 or more.

They will hate it if we remove it completely. Sometimes I feel we have been to good an employer, if that I'd even possible. We had to let someone go the other day as he shut the kitchen door on my Dhs face the other dY and told him to get out of 'his' kitchen... he forgot its our recipes he uses and dh trained him up.

There are days when I wish we chose a different career path where it didn't involve people!

'Tipping' needs binning. I find it naff and coarse now, and smacks of people being showy, and patronising. 'Ooooh I know you are poor let me help support you.' Ewwwww, how condescending. 😖 Suggests you think the person 'serving' you is beneath you.

Exactly. Tipping isn’t just unnecessary now, it’s also feudal & demeaning. Waiting staff are not forelock-tugging serfs hoping for my largesse and I am not lady bountiful. They do an important job for which they should be properly paid. My argument is that £11.44 per hour is proper pay for that work therefore tipping is now obsolete. It’s a lot more in real terms than I earned when I was doing bar work & waiting tables.

100% agree. ^

So do you tip in 10% in Costa? Or McDonalds? Or at the fish & chip shop? Or at the supermarket checkout? If not, why not?

@Starzinsky · Today 21:46

I hate tipping. Not sure why we single out one industry when other minimum wage industries and roles provide just as much personal service but have no tipping culture at all.

💯 Agree wholeheartedly!

@Jk987 · Today 21:41

If you stop tipping they'll be worse off or no change with the pay increase. That sucks.

So, shall we tip EVERYONE who is on National Minimum wage then??? Admin staff, checkout workers, shelf stackers, cashiers, street cleaners, carers, GP receptionists, hotel workers, (reception and housekeeping,) staff in clothes shops, and shoes shops, and other various retail outlets, dental nurses, the postie, the cook in Wetherspoons, your child's teaching assistant, McDonalds workers, the people working in Costa and Starbucks etc, the woman on checkout in Morrisons cafe, factory workers, nursery nurses, fish & chip shop workers, dental staff, people taking your order in the Chinese takeaway etc etc etc...

If not, why not?

Apparently we are meant to 'tip' waiters and hairdressers! Why not every other person on NMW? Why just those 2? They are no more important or hard working than all the other professions I have named. And the idea (that a few posters have peddled) that they work harder than anyone else, and deserve the tips, is both farcical and insulting in equal measures.

@Scrunshine · Today 19:13

What? Fair enough if you’re too cheap to tip but I would dream of setting foot in a restaurant if I couldn’t afford to tip at least 10%. Minimum wage for being friendly and efficient while the public are rude and messy and just plain disgusting a lot of the time is just not enough. Also, you try living on that per hour in the middle of a cost of living crisis!

Are you actually having a laugh right now?! MILLIONS of people are on national minimum wage and struggling with paying to live As I said above, why are you not giving tips to everyone on NMW? Your post is ridiculous!

I will still tip the Bolt drivers (as long as the cars clean etc). The fares are very often cheaper than Uber so I worry it's because Bolt pay them less, so I make up the difference between Bolt fares and Uber fares with a tip on Bolt.

Not read all the posts, but, if there is a service charged added to your bill when you eat at a restaurant, then who does the service charge go to? They did make a law in the UK that tips have to go to the people serving you and the people in the kitchen et cetera, the ones in the restaurant. But, if it's labelled as a service charge, does it actually go to the staff or is it swallowed up by the business owners?

Wish i could afford to tip. Feel it shows gratitude for the service.

Please also make sure you click your fingers when you want another drink!

Why is it any skin off your nose if other people choose to tip
Tipping is to recognise exceptional service, not because you rhinkvthe service provider is poor!!

This. It’s great that the NMW has increased but it can mean others in what I would call more difficult jobs - eg dementia carers - are earning less if you take tips into account. I see carer jobs all the time for £10.50 an hour and then we wonder why we get shit people doing it - you can get more going night fill in Tesco!

I’m too embarrassed to not tip. And I always tip restaurant staff (unless it’s already added on) 20% as I think they have a hard job and are underpaid in most cases).